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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Clyde Winters: [QB] [IMG]http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y421/amunratheultimate2/Misc/CommongrandmothersofAfricanpeopleforL3only_zps2b5489e6.png[/IMG] . In your chart you make it appear that haplogroup M in Africa has to be a product of a back migration. But M1 originated in Africa. [/QUOTE]It doesn't matter to me because M1 is present in "only" about 15% of Somali, so combined with other MtDNA and Y-DNA proportion which are mostly African, it's not enough to form the basis of any hamitic race. Especially if you remove recent Eurasian gene flow towards Eastern Africa. But to answer your question, the post by lioness above clued to it, since M and N are non-African haplogroups any descendant of the M and N haplogroups are non-African, including M1. I still leave the door open to analyse the specific M1 haplogroup more deeply to determine the event(s) leading to its introduction in Africa (what time, within an African population or not, etc). I say only 15% because, I'm personally ready to consider that even Ancient Egyptians at their formative years had some Eurasian admixture in a minimal manner, since neighboring populations always interact with one another (more so in modern time though, due to the ease of transportation). In a similar way, Ancient Greeks may have some West Asian/African admixture but still commonly considered to be Europeans (aka mostly Europeans). Biologically, genetically, but also culturally, historically, archaeologically. [QUOTE] You are no different from the people you criticize. Both of you accept Eurocentric lies about the origination of haplogroups L3(M,N) and R in Eurasia. [/QUOTE]Since haplogroup M and N, as well as Y-DNA R, are rare among African populations. If in an absurd manner Ancient Egyptians were **only** composed of those haplogroups, it would mean they would be genetically completely different from most modern African populations like Yoruba, African-Americans, Somali, Afar, Dinka, Kongo, Wolof, Zulu, etc and be closer to European or West Asian populations. So it would give credence to the hamitic/dynastic race mythology. Of course current aDNA analysis of Ancient Egyptian mummies as well as other archaeological/historical data points to the contrary (Ramses III being E1b1a, JAMA/BMJ study, DNA Tribes - Great Lakes, Southern, West Africa). Ancient Egyptians are black Africans (aka mostly black Africans) in a similar way Ancient Greeks or Romans were mostly Europeans. To be clear, I think Ancient Egyptians were composed of mostly Y-DNA A, B and E haplogroups, and MtDNA L haplogroups. Autosomally they would cluster closer to other modern African populations than modern Eurasian populations as we can see from the DNA Tribes results. The amount of non-African haplogroups, especially after the formative years, (F descendant, M-N descendants) should there but be minimal. We know there was the Hyksos (Aamu) invasion of West Asian as well as other peaceful or not foreign migration in Ancient Egypt throughout its history, and much more so afterward. [QUOTE] Amun-Ra you need to answer this question. [/QUOTE]Just did, hope you like it. [/qb][/QUOTE]I asked why M1 doesn't follow the same pattern. Yet, you dance around this question. [QUOTE] "No southwest Asian specific clades for M1 or U6 were discovered. U6 and M1 frequencies in North Africa, the Middle East and Europe DO NOT FOLLOW similar patterns, and their sub-clade divisions do not appear to be compatible with their shared history reaching back to the Early Upper Palaeolithic." [/QUOTE]--Erwan Pennarun, Toomas Kivisild et al. How come chromosomes C and R share a common ancestor in BT? In large parts of west Africa and this haplotype is being carried. Don't be shocked if you carry this as well. [QUOTE] The deepest branching separates A1b from a monophyletic clade whose members (A1a, A2, A3, B, C, and R) all share seven mutually reinforcing derived mutations (five transitions and two transversions, all at non-CpG sites). [IMG]http://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0002929711001649-gr2.jpg[/IMG] These chromosomes belong to a clade (haplogroup BT) in which chromosomes C and R share a common ancestor (Figure 2). [/QUOTE]--Fulvio Cruciani et al A Revised Root for the Human Y Chromosomal Phylogenetic Tree: The Origin of Patrilineal Diversity in Africa (2011) http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929711001649 [/QB][/QUOTE]
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