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[QUOTE]Originally posted by xyyman: [QB] OK. Here is your answer. ----- A New Topology of the Human Y Chromosome Haplogroup E1b1 (E-P2) Revealed through the Use of Newly Characterized Binary Polymorphisms - Beniamino Trombett eta l Pg 3 Fig 1 (B). E-V68 and E-V257 are upstream of E-M81 and E-M78. The same two are downstream of E-M35. Significance? Answer- as the author also pointed out. These are Africans migrating into Europe through Northern Africa and NOT the Middle East. This points to a presence of E-M35 occuping North Africa PRIOR to the Bantu incursion into West Africa. E-M329 has no “age” assigned to it but agreed it is a paragroup of E-M2. I don’t see an age for E-M329 but I see one for E-M2 as little as 7kya!!! So what I stated still stands. Bantus are the youngest of Africans. All the cited data corraborate each other. Get it! Got it! Take notes. [QUOTE]Originally posted by xyyman: [qb] I cannot post pics right now but…. ---------- Quote by Beyoku [b]xyyman - Few questions and things to ponder: 1 - Can you give us a screen shot of PN2* being high among Nilo-Saharan speakers?[/b] Alec knight et al – African Y Chromosomes….Table 1 page 3. clearly shows M35 limited in Bantus, infact upstream YAP is also limited in Bantus. Proving that Bantus are youngest in the African groups and language. M112, M150, B2a, B2b is found more in Nilo-Saharan and “pygmies”. Ingact hg-B iis widely considered a “pygmie” lineage. So.. What is your point? [b]2 - What of E2 and B2a - Lineages that are pretty frequent in Bantu speakers ..particularly East and Southern.....both predating the origin of the M81 SNP classic of Berber speakers.[/b] Pygmies are not Agriculturist although they speak a Bantu language. Bantu agriculturist are essentially E-M2. Se same table 1. [b]3 - Notice the image that you keep posting with the distribution maps: The dates of M2*, M58, M191, M154 (also M75 and M329) are all older than M81....in fact the M2 lineages are 10ky older in that image.[/b] ?? M81 is a sub-clade of M-35. M-35 has highest frequency in North West Africa and the Nile region. M-35 occupied North Africa prior to M-2 entering West Africa!!. If you Look ate the table TP posted, the para-Hg to M-35 is found through-out North Africa, into Europe and parts of Souuth Africa. Significance? [b]4 - Notice M329. You do know that M329 and M2 are united right.....look at their ages in comparison to M81. This is the new tree:[/b] ??do not have the phyloTree in front of me just right now. Nevertheless - ------ Quote: M112 has been observed only very RARELY outside of Khwe and San, forest, and Hadzabe populations. Two exceptions considered here likely reflect RECENT gene flow from foraging Hadzabe and Biaka to NEIGHBORING AGRICULTURAL peoples. --- See , I do know something about African ethnic groups. I need to remind Y’all. Take notes when I post. [QUOTE]Originally posted by beyoku: [qb] xyyman - Few questions and things to ponder: 1 - Can you give us a screen shot of PN2* being high among Nilo-Saharan speakers? 2 - What of E2 and B2a - Lineages that are pretty frequent in Bantu speakers ..particularly East and Southern.....both predating the origin of the M81 SNP classic of Berber speakers. 3 - Notice the image that you keep posting with the distribution maps: The dates of M2*, M58, M191, M154 (also M75 and M329) are all older than M81....in fact the M2 lineages are 10ky older in that image. 4 - Notice M329. You do know that M329 and M2 are united right.....look at their ages in comparison to M81. This is the new tree: http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee431/Cuban-Basque/journal_pone_0016073_g001.png [/qb][/QUOTE][/qb][/QUOTE] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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