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beyoku asks: Which population is the most genetically distinct from Sub Saharans?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: [QB] I didn't answer Beyoku because that's just a way for him to avoid answering my argumentations against his hamitic race myth points by points. Making exchanges go in circles. He knows I am right so he tries to divert the attention away with stupid questions. As long as Beyoku and Swenet don't provide counter argumentation points by points from my post below. They implicitely admit I am right, which they already did. I'm just happy to have thoroughly debunked these 2 undercover racists for everyone to see: Notice how I even put up a nice picture to explain part of my argumentation to Beyoku (and Swenet) visually. [b] @ES readers[/b] In his quest to prove the racist hamitic race myth, Swenet (and Beyoku) is trying to tell us above that East Africans/Horn Africans are closer to Eurasian populations carrying the MtDNA haplogroups M and N than West African populations even at the moment of the OOA migrations. So before any back migrations of M and N MtDNA carriers in the last 3000 years (ethio-semitic speakers). He's wrong on so many level that I don't know where to start. So basically, for example he tries to say that unadmixed indigenous Somali, are closer genetically to Eurasian than West Africans. For that he tries to use the fact that the Eurasian mtDNA M and N haplogroups are descendants of the basal L3 haplogroups. But this is wrong on so many levels. [b]First[/b], the L3 haplogroups is common to almost all African populations, including East and West Africans. For example, using the numbers from the study called [URL=http://drum.lib.umd.edu/handle/1903/11443]Complex Genetic History of East African Human Populations by Hirbo (2011)[/URL] . We can see that both East and West Africans carry the African L3 haplogroups (excluding Eurasian M, N of course). For example, Yoruba got 45.45% of L3, while Somali 44.68% of L3. Yoruba L3 45.45% (12.12+6.06+21.21+6.06) Somali L3 44.68% (7.41+3.74+7.47+11.11+3.74+3.74+7.47) [b]Second[/b], OOA migrants, future non-Africans, current Eurasian M and N carriers are not descendant of any East African L3 haplogroups (like L3i, L3j, L3k, etc). They are descendant of the BASAL L3 mtDNA haplogroup, which is common to almost all African populations including East and West Africans. [b]Third[/b], as mentioned above, there's a 40-60kya gaps between East African populations and the back migration of Eurasian populations carrying M and N haplogroups into Eastern Africa. More than enough time for each of those people to become their own people with their own genetic profile, physiology and history. [b]Fourth[/b], East Africans populations are not only composed of the haploroup L3 but also L0, L1, L2, etc mtDNA haplogroups. People carrying those haplogroups admixed with each others for several years after the OOA migrations of the M and N hg carriers. Around 62 000 years!!! [b]Fifth[/b], last but not the least. Those 4 points above are more than enough to make my point but Swenet will come back in his desperate attempt to prove the hamitic race myth to say that East and West Africans don't have the same L3 haplogroups. For example, and this part is true, Horn Africans carry the mtDNA haplogroups L3i, L3x, but not West Africans, while West Africans carry the L3e haplogroups but not Horn Africans (Note: at the same time, east and west Africans share many haplogroups such as L2a, L3f, L3d, etc as E-P2 carriers). So in a stupid manner, he will try to say that this make somehow Horn Africans not so much related to other Africans like West Africans than to the basal L3 haplogroups and thus, in a ridiculous logic, Eurasians. But this is false too! Yes, Horn Africans are carry by L3i, L3x haplogroups while West Africans carry the L3e haplogroups. [b]But the L3i, L3x and L3e haplogroups are united by the L3eikx haplogroups. One of the common grandmother of East and West Africans!![/b] You can see it here, if you take the time: http://www.phylotree.org/tree/subtree_L3.htm [b]The same thing can be said about the common East and West African L3bf grandmother and L3cd grandmother![/b] (Note: L3a and L3h are absent in many Horn African populations like Somali, Afar, Beja, etc, so they can't be used to prove the hamitic race myth). Visual aid for Beyoku: [IMG]http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y421/amunratheultimate2/Misc/CommongrandmothersofAfricanpeopleforL3only_zps2b5489e6.png[/IMG] ^^^This last point, the fifth, will leave Swenet sulking for weeks. All those points hurt his retarded racist ass. They also hurt Beyoku. So contrary to what Swenet and Beyoku try to promote with their racist hamitic race myth. OOA/Eurasian populations are not particularly closer to modern East African populations like Horn Africans, beside through the back migrations of non-African populations into the Eastern African region starting around 3000 years ago by future ethiosemitic speakers carrying the mtDNA M and N haplogroups, compared to most other African populations like West Africans. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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