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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Clyde Winters: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Clyde Winters: Pierron, et al (2013) proposes that haplogroup H entered Africa from the Middle East. Pierron et al, date the hg H older than 9k. They wrote: [QUOTE] The dates calculated from our data are in good agreement with this theory, since we dated the appearance of H and HV0 (ex pre-V) in the Middle East around 29,000 years before the Last Glacial Maximum. These haplogroups would then have been distributed throughout Europe. At the time of the Last Glacial Maximum, between 22,000 and 18,000 years BP, the H and HV0 haplogroups sheltered in the Franco-Cantabrian zone. Then the H1, (18,160 years BP), H3 (15,671 years BP), and V (16,428 years BP) haplogroups appeared as the climate started to improve and Europe was re-colonized. The U5b haplogroup also appeared (17,963 years BP) in the same area during that period. These four haplogroups re-populated Northern Europe in the same way as the haplogroups from the Southwest shelter zone. [/QUOTE]Clyde you say "Pierron, et al (2013) proposes that haplogroup H entered Africa from the Middle East" but the quote here doesn't even mention Africa [QUOTE]Originally posted by Clyde Winters: But the idea that hg H is the result of a back migration from Europe to Africa, does not agree with the distribution of hg H in Africa. It is clear from the map that hg H is not found in Egypt. This seems strange because if it had entered Africa as the result of a back migration there should be more carriers of hg H in Egypt. [/QUOTE]There would there be less carriers in Egypt because the migration is of Iberians to Africa across Gibralter [QUOTE]Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor [IMG]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/01/06/article-2534730-1A746AE300000578-598_634x432.jpg[/IMG] [/QUOTE][/qb][/QUOTE]A back migration of hg H from Iberia to Africa is unlikely. In any area of research you look for the obvious , this would be true of the origination and spread of hg H. Obviously, if hg H originated in the Middle East, it would have spread from the Levant into Egypt, since Egypt is closer to the Middle East, than Iberia. [IMG]http://olmec98.net/BadramtDNA.png[/IMG] . It is more likely that given the locations of hg H in Africa, it probably spread into Europe from Salelian Africa to Iberia and thence the Middle East. I believe hg H entered Iberia during the African Moorist invasion of Spain and spread across Europe into the Middle East. . [/QB][/QUOTE]
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