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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Clyde Winters: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Tukuler: [qb] Good job trying to distract and coverup the genetics. You're talking everything but molecular biology. Wishology don't cut it. One type of data (freq) don't either. Overturn all that data from here [IMG]http://i58.tinypic.com/2qd3lzo.gif[/IMG] * Number of different haplotypes * unique haplotypes * haplotype diversity * unique haplotype frequency are all highest in the Near East too. Xyyman note, it's [b]Near East[/b] not Arabian Peninsula and nobody buy you said anything about a Europe origin. What are you doing building strawmen to knock down? [/qb][/QUOTE]No. There is no cover-up of the genetics, I am looking at the frequency and variety of hg H in Northwest Africa and the Sahara and its absence in Egypt; along with the evidence that Sub-Saharan Africans have always been migrating into the Near East and took hg H into the Near East. The idea that hg H is the result of a back migration from Europe or the Near East to Africa, does not agree with the distribution of hg H in Africa. It is clear from the map that hg H is not found in Egypt. This seems strange because if it had entered Africa as the result of a back migration from the Near East there should be more carriers of hg H in Egypt, than in the rest of Africa. This geographic pattern does not suggest a Great Lakes origin because the map does not show much hg H among Ethiopians and Kenyans . If it had originated in Great Lakes region there would be a higher frequency of hg H in the region. . [IMG]http://olmec98.net/BadramtDNA.png[/IMG] . The presence of multiple H clades in Africa shows that diversity of hg H existed in Africa. As I said originally, the absence of H clades in Egypt proves that hg H originated in Africa and not the NE. Since the rise of Islam , numerous Arab populations migrated into Egypt including Yemenis. It stands to reason that if hg H originated in the NE, there should be carriers of this haplogroup in Egypt--NOT. This supports my theory that hg H entered Eurasia from the West. Trenton W. Holliday, tested the hypothesis that if modern Africans had dispersed into the Levant from Africa, "tropically adapted hominids" would be represented in the archaeological history of the Levant, especially in relation to the Qafzeh-Skhul hominids. This researcher found that the Qafzeh-Skhul hominids (20,000-10,000),were assigned to the Sub-Saharan population, along with the Natufians samples (4000 BP). Holliday also found African fauna in the area. Below are a few quotes from the paper by Holliday they show that the population at this time were Negroid in Southwest Asia. "In this light, some of the more robust assignments (albeit not 95% of the Qafzeh-Skhul hominids to the sub-Saharan African sample (e.g., Qafzeh 8 at 85%, Skhul 4 at 71%) are remarkable indeed" (p. 62). "The Qafzeh-Skhul hominids have sometimes been refered to as "Proto-CroMagnons" (e.g., Howell 1957; Vandermeersch 1996) because of their presumed similarity to the famous Aurignacian-associated hominids from Western Europe....Specifically [Brace], he notes that "in both the details of its dental and craniological size and from Qafzeh is an unlikely proto-Cro-Magnon, but it makes a fine model for the ancestors of modern sub-Saharan Africans"(p.63). "taken as a whole, the work of Tchernov seems to support the findings of the current research that the Qafzeh-Skhul hominids have their origins in Africa, while the Neanderthals are from cold to temperate biomes"(p.64). "The current study demonstrates African-like affinities in the body shape of the Qafzeh-Skhul hominids. This finding is consistent with craniofacial evidence (Brace 1996) and with zooarchaeological data indicating the presence of African fauna at Qafzeh (Rabinovich and Tchernov 1995; Tchernov 1988, 1992)" (p.64).\ Holiday, T. (2000). Evolution at the Crossroads: Modern Human Emergence in Western Asia, American Anthropologist,102(1) . As I said earlier there were only SSA in western Eurasia and the Levant so Africans were continually migrating into the region depositing their haplogroups. Where are your non-Sub-Saharan Africans in Eurasia, who you claim were the originators of hg H. . [/QB][/QUOTE]
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