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[QUOTE]Originally posted by tropicals redacted: [QB] @cass What did you make of Keita's conclusions regarding wavy hair in ancient Egyptians? Also, wanted to ask about this: [b]By this he clarified there would be a lighter skin gradient in the Saharan desert (at least in the north). [/b] Terms such as 'lighter' and 'darker' are of course relative and to be useful need a point of comparison. The following e-mail, which Keita sent in correspondence with a former ES poster called Morpehus is more illustrative: QUESTION: "Were the Ancient Egyptians predominately dark-skinned throughout the Dynastic period and were they predominately African biologically (a pictorial reference to modern populations to illustrate what the majority looked like would be helpful)?" Keita's answer: "No one can say exactly what colour they were, but one might reasonably say that [b]the typical Upper Egyptian to Nubian would have been the modal colour in most of the country. [/b] Without an analysis of histology of the skin and accurate portraits one cannot say how they looked. We can extrapolate by looking at the variability of the modern Egyptian with a focus on Upper Egyptian, considering a predictive approach based on latitude, and imagining what they would have been like without the gene flow from the Near East and Europe over thousands of years. This will help you conceptualise the variability of the Nile indigenous population...My research cannot indicate skin colour in any empirical sense." As a visual aid, I stuck the term 'Upper Egyptians' in google images - excuse the link! [URL=https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=upper+egyptians&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=r-QEVIz4HOOd0AWHoYHYDw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1630&bih=794&dpr=0.8#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=jmbRK_tIKbyMuM%253A%3Bj6XsQlxECi00jM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fmaps.maphill.com%252Fegypt%252Fupper-egypt%252Fmaps%252Fpolitical-shades-map%252Fpolitical-shades-map-of-upper-egypt.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.maphill.com%252Fegypt%252Fupper-egypt%252Fmaps%252Fpolitical-shades-map%252F%3B850%3B1195]https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=upper+egyptians&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=r-QEVIz4HOOd0AWHoYHYDw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1630&bih=794&dpr=0.8#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=jmbRK_tIKbyMuM %253A%3Bj6XsQlxECi00jM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fmaps.maphill.com%252Fegypt%252Fupper-egypt%252Fmaps%252Fpolitical-shades-map%252Fpolitical-shades-map-of-upper-egypt.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252 F%252Fwww.maphill.com%252Fegypt%252Fupper-egypt%252Fmaps%252Fpolitical-shades-map%252F%3B850%3B1195[/URL] Also googled 'Nubian people' - I don't know if all the individuals here are Nubian, so you might need to click on the images to verify: [URL=https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=nubian&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=2OYEVNIq453QBYehgdgP&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1471&bih=744&dpr=0.8#q=nubian%20people&revid=2084654125&tbm=isch&imgdii=_]https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=nubian&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=2OYEVNIq453QBYehgdgP&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1471&bih=744&dpr=0.8#q=nubian%20people&revid=2084654125&tbm=isch&imgd ii=_[/URL] So with regards to Keita's comments on the lighter skin gradient in the northern Sahara that you cited, do you think the google images above fit with that? Have you got any links/references for the following? [QUOTE] But if that is true, then the Egyptians would be, while elongated, less so than populations at tropical latitude, the same for their dolichocephaly. So someone could equally say that the Egyptians are closer to south West Asian populations. [b]They fall intermediate. [/b] [/QUOTE]You referenced Snowden: [QUOTE] So even Snowden admitted some Upper Egyptians could pass as 'black'. [/QUOTE]How do you think Snowden's views compare with your acknowledgment last December (2013),which followed this question:" In your opinion therefore, are people right when they describe the ancient Egyptians as predominantly 'black Africans', regardless of whether 'black' refers to populations from the Horn of Africa, or groups such as the Tutsis?" You responded: "Yes they are correct. Two sources from Keita, I had access through a classics archive, which explains this - Keita, S. O. Y. (1993a) “Black Athena: ‘Race,’ Bernal and Snowden”. Arethusa. xxvi. pp. 295-314. Keita, S. O. Y. (1993b). “Response to Bernal and Snowden”. Arethusa. xxvi. pp. 329-33." [/QB][/QUOTE]
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