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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Clyde Winters: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: [qb] [b]According to Rilly, the etymology of the cognate word 'nob'/'log' from the common North-Eastern Sudanic roots means silt, clay, fertile soils. The word is still used today in that sense in the modern Nara, Nyama, Taman people. [/b] All fellow North-Eastern Sudanic (NES) speakers. The only two NES languages discussed by Rilly using "nogu/nob" as slave are the Nobiin language and the Meroitic language (according to him). As a side note, in AEians the word with the sound 'nub', meant gold. [b] It's important to understand again that Kushite people and people who are known as Nubian (modern Nubian) are not the same people.[/b] Modern Nubians, as they are called by other people, are "recent" migrants who settled along the Nile after having help in the destruction of the Kushite empires along with the Axumites. Before that time, they were nomadic people living in the west of the Sudanese Nile (all according to Rilly). Even at that time, they they were different people than the Kushite. The same way Igbo and Yoruba are different people with their own language despite being linked together through their common Benue-Congo language root. Kushite and "Nubians" spoke different languages and lived differently (settled farmers-cattle raiser vs nomadic people). [b] According to Riley "Nubians" called themselves 'Magur'/'Magi' people in the past. Kushite did called themselves Kush (according to Rilly again).[/b] King Kashta is an example (kings have many names). Kashta was also the personal name of many people in the Kushite kingdoms. Nubian/Murgi people were nomadic people even after the establishment of agriculture along the Nile so its possible a term related to the soil came to mean slaves for them (other explanations are possible like foreign influence). But Kushtic people, as Ancient Egyptians, were themselves farmers (as well as raisin cattle, horses, hunting, etc). So I don't think it's plausible they would use the proto-NES cognate word for clay/fertile soils to mean slaves. There's about a 1000 Meroitic texts and most of them have not been translated yet, so Rilly put forward is theory on very flimsy ground (although I will investigate it further). I don't know on what basis he made those claims (as the evidence were not stipulated in any of his works I read yet, but maybe he confuses the fact that all the land belong to the King and that all people, like in Ancient Egypt, and most of Africa, are his servants. Or simply extrapolate too much on the word workers/laborers. This warrant further investigation) While modern Nubian Nobiin speakers (who don't call themselves Nubians as far as I know, some call themselves Murgi) may consider the cognate word Nogu/Nob to mean slave, I have hard time believing the same for Meroitic people. The cognate term nob (log in proto-NES) in most other related NES language means silt/clay/fertile soils according to Rilly. It's ridiculous that any people in Ancient Greek times would call themselves slave. If any people in Ancient Greek times would call themselves "Nob" or a related word it would probably mean something like "People of the soil" aka the indigenous/current inhabitant of the land. That is if the Greek text is right (since nobody today call themselves Nubian as far as I know). Modern Nara, Nyama, Taman people still use the cognate word in that sense (earth, clay, soil) according to Rilly (as we can see in the google book - [i]The Meroitic Language and Writing System[/i] posted by the lioness above). Unfortunatley Rilly in his english books doesn't provides any proof of (any) of his claims which I'm sure are exposed in his other french books which should be investigated. [/qb][/QUOTE]I have read his books and articles he has no proof because he can not read Meroitic. Moreover, there is no way you can read an ancient language using a Proto-Language. That is because a proto-language is a theorectical assumption which can never be proven because we don't have documented examples of the language to confirm our reconstructions. . [/QB][/QUOTE]
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