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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Clyde Winters: [qb] [b] As you can see even wavy line pottery, your standard for the common origin of Negro-Egyptian speakers, first appears in the Sahara, not Northeast Africa.[/b] [/qb][/QUOTE]This is a characterization of my point of view. Yes, the Green Saharan culture (and the wavy-line pottery culture) is a common past culture among most modern African people (beside Aka-Mbuti and Khoisan related people) and is very important historically, but this is at a time period AFTER the common linguistic and genetic origin of most African people (the greater part of their ancestry) in Northeastern Africa. The wavy-line pottery culture is part of my point number 2 posted above and quoted below: [QUOTE] So here is the summary of the population history and movement of E-P2 carriers. The most common haplogroup among African and African-Americans. 1) E-P2, the common grandfather of most Cushitic, Chadic and Niger-Kongo(-Kordofanian) speakers is born in NorthEastern Africa. He lived in a population which (eventually) had MtDNA haplogroups counterparts L2a, L3bf (L3b, L3f), L3cd (L3c, L3d), L3eijx (L3e, L3i, etc), L0a, etc. Those MtDNA haplogroups are, for example, the common grandmothers and the common grandfather of Yoruba and Somali people. We know Somali have no Bantu/Niger-Congo recent admixtures (they don't have E-M2 nor L3e for example) so they can't share those common grandmothers from recent admixtures with West Africans or related people like Bantu. In fact both E-P2 and those mtDNA grandmothers are shared by the majority of African populations all across Africa. This can be verified for example in the [URL=http://drum.lib.umd.edu/handle/1903/11443]Hirbo study[/URL] by looking at the table with Y-DNA and MtDNA frequencies per populations. As a side note, it doesn't matter if L2a for example originate in Eastern Africa or not (I don't even remember). What is important is that it was part of the E-P2 population and is shared by most African populations including Somali and Yoruba, so Cushitic, Chadic and Niger-Congo (kordofanian) speakers. 2) Then E-P2 carriers migrate within Eastern Africa and in the Sahara and eventually develop E-M2 in the west and E-M215 in the East, after having migrated in different direction. Eastern Africa was also part of the Green Sahara culture which goes from the Atlantic to the Nile and Red Sea. The Green Saharan/Wavy-line pottery culture I often mention in other threads and in the links posted in my first original post in this thread. 3) When the Sahara dries up again after the Green Sahara period. E-P2 carriers now (or eventually) E-M2 carriers migrate away in many direction, notably in Western Africa, in search of greener pasture, from where they eventually occupy the greater part of Africa through further migrations within Western Africa and the Bantu migrations. Some E-P2 carriers, along A and B carriers, also migrate toward the Nile also in search of greener pastures. [/QUOTE][b]To make it simple for you and other readers here's a summary: 1) Common origin of most modern African people in Northeastern Africa at a time period after the OOA migrations. 2) Migration of Northeastern people toward the Green Sahara. Wavy-line pottery culture, pastoralism, tumulus tradition, cattle cult, ornamentation, etc. 3) Migration of Green Saharan people toward West Africa and the Nile in search of greener pastures when the Green Saharan dried up again.[/b] As a side note, Obenga also locate the geographic origin of the [URL=http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6195/tableaunegroegyptienthe.png]African-Egyptian/Negro-Egyptian language phylum[/URL] around Sudan (before about 12 000 years ago iirc). You can read about it in his book (Origine commune de l'égyptien ancien, du copte et des langues négro-africaines modernes). [/QB][/QUOTE]
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