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Hi everybody i have a Aegis-menat i just bough this week and i am wondering what to do with an awsome piece like that... aegis got inlay gold beads and menat have gilding and hieroglyphe... First i need help with hieroglyphe.. they are tough to see and i am trying to find what it mean.. i think i see amun and ramsess?? anyone can help me? or i should send it for research? thanks
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^^ I am only roughly familiar with hieroglyphs, though there are other posters in this forum are more knowledgeable in mdu neter and possess dictionaries.
The pendant of the menat is very rusted/deteriorated looking but as far as I can tell it is conveying the sovereignty over the tawy (two lands). The two heruwy (falcons) and two wadjeti (cobras) flanking each side with one heru wearing the white crown of upper Egypt and another wearing the red crown of lower Egypt. They appear to flanking something in the center possibly a serekh but I cannot see any details to it. The top part of the pendant is a goddess holding staff like objects in her hands.
Other than that I couldn't make anything else out.
gildedman Member # 22033
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wow nice thanks for the info... i really appreciate... i posted more hieroglyphe to see it better... hope somebody will be able to help me.. a+
gildedman Member # 22033
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bump for more help please?
Djehuti Member # 6698
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^ Do you have any more background info on the menat?? From what dynasty and where it was found??
I'm sorry but the artifact is too rusted over. Also the few glyphs that are visible don't tell much. Do you have any other object that is better preserved?
Ardo Member # 1797
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Welcome to ES GildedMan!
Ask the antiquities dealer you bought those artifacts from for more information.
I can make neither hide nor hair out of anything I can see on them.
Sorry
Djehuti Member # 6698
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^ Now that I see it closer, it seems the two herui falcons are perched on top of the glyphs for gold. So basically you have the golden horus of the south and the golden horus of the north, however what is in the center they are flanking??
If I have to take a guess I would say it is probably a serekh that houses the name of the actual ruler but it is so deteriorated the details are totally obfuscated.
In case you don't know, this would be an example of a serekh.
The falcon on top is heru with the name inside the serekh being Sekhemkhet. A pharaoh possessed many names but one of his main names is his Heru or Horus name expressed by his serekh and therefore the above example would be Heru-Sekhemkhet.
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Djehuti no i dont have so much info on this piece... the seller know nothing abouth it except he bough it in 1979 in israel for he's parents... i have tough time to find another complete aegis menat to compare to this one... i found 2 menat that we can see all the design +- the same than my menat.... and 1 complete aegis-menat in museum... look like it's very rare.. that's why i want to know what glyph mean... that will help a lot and give me more information abouth this piece.. thanks for your help guys... i appreciated every answer.. a+
Tukuler Member # 19944
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Good looking DJ, you're surely onto something with Heru-Nub.
Djehuti Member # 6698
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quote:Originally posted by gildedman: if I see it well i am pretty sure it's a djed pillar between the two falcon.. i dont know what it means but it's a djed pillar.. this is on the front but i am mostly asking for behind here the picture of the glyph http://s62.photobucket.com/user/3dtech/media/DSC_5112-1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=23
If it is a djed pillar instead of a serekh then there is no identification. The djed pillar was a symbol of power and particularly durability. And there appears to be a sun disc on top. If that's the case then the message would be something like 'long lasting pillar of Ra (sun), the golden horus of the north and south'.
But I see you post photos of the backside which has more detailed glyphs.
You're gonna have to draw the outlines of these glyphs as it is very difficult to see.
So far the ONLY thing I could make out is the 3rd register starting from the bottom. It appears to be some sort of bird with a flail perched on something and then an upside down bowl.
Someone with mdu neter knowledge help us out on this.
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^ gildedman, have you ever tried putting paper on top of the surface and then scribbling with pencil to get the outlines of the surface?? I think this technique is much more accurate then guessing by eye and drawing the pictures you can make out. In fact the technique I described is a common one archaeologists use when trying to retrieve outlines that are faint.
gildedman Member # 22033
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i will try again... because yes i tryed the first day with no result.. a+
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