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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Obelisk_18: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [qb] Brilliant insights, Doug! You bring up many great points about the 'Nubian' origins of the 12th Dynasty. You are correct to note how Egyptologists and other scholars have long emphasized that the 25th dynasty was "the Nubian Dynasty" but mention nothing about other Nubian connections. What about the 18th Dynasty?? I have heard theories from some Egyptologists that [i]they too[/i] are of 'Nubian' descent. The 18th Dynasty of Waset (Thebes) was begotten from the 17th dynasty which was said to hail from southern Upper Egypt. The 17th Dynasty king Sekenenra Tao and his family were said to have close ties to the Medjay nomads, and James Harris in his examination of Sekenenra's skull claimed that his facial complex looked 'Nubian'. Also, it was in the 17th-18th dynasties that we see the rise of the importance of the queen-mother which was said to be a 'Nubian' custom. With all of this in mind we can see how the rise of the 18th dynasty also fulfilled the prophecy of Neferti-- a king from the south by a Nubian woman who would vanquish the Asiatics. Wally is correct that every time there is chaos and instability in the Kemeta nation, there would be a king from southern Upper Egypt usually with maternal Nubian ancestry that would assume the throne and restore order. If the prophecy of Neferti was indeed created around the time of the 12th dynasty, do you find it coincidence that it was fulfilled later on?.. [/qb][/QUOTE]Alright alright lemme resurrect this mofo.....been a long time for this thread to be in the grave babes and imma take up Djehuti on his bump request :D Anyways..as far as I know..the only dynasty that can effectively be called Nubian (meaning whose founders/conquerors were either Nubian or had at least partial nubian ancestry) is the 25th..and about the 12th dynasty founder Amenehmat I having a nubian mother, it said (the self serving "prophecy of neferti") she was from ta-seti which was also the name of the first nome of egypt, so Amenemhat's roots were probably from around Aswan/Elphantine :) And why does Amun necessarily have to be a nubian god? couldnt he have just been a little known local theban god who rose to prominence due to that city being the capital of egypt during the Middle Kingdom? And unless theres proof that "Amun" is a loan word from nubian languages, I really dont see how Amun could be anything but local :) . And to you djehuti, about queen mothers being a "nubian" cultural practice..well..do we have any info on nubian/kushite kingship before the area was egyptianized in the New kingdom? And do you know that queens taking power for themselves and being regents goes back all the way to the first dynasty (Merneith)? I say you're taking shots in the dark with all this gueeswork my man :D [/QB][/QUOTE]
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