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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: [QB] ^^^With that explanation I still feel you're going out of your way to link the Indo-European language family with Obenga's Negro-Egyptian phylum. What I understand from what you said above is that you don't claim Indo-Europeans languages like English and Russian are languages from the Negro-Egyptian family. You claim that IE somehow at its beginning was some kind of creole language with some small amount of Negro-Egyptian words/grammar influencing it during it's formation. The other major influence at that time being the native language(s) of the proto-Indo-European speakers before and where the Proto-IE language was born. On the other hand, you agree, I think, that Niger-Kordofanian, Nilo-Saharan, Cushite and Chadic languages are genetically related languages part of the Negro-Egyptian family. Is that it? [QUOTE]Originally posted by Asar Imhotep: No different than the Khoisan, who genetically we all come from, who we from Africa are all related to, but whose languages are far removed from Khoisan type languages. N-E is not related to Khoisan languages, but the people are related to the Khoisan genetically. [/QUOTE]I often see this error. It's very important in population structure to understand that we don't come from Khoisans. Not more for example, than Khoisans come from us (us being other Africans, Europeans, etc aka all non-Khoisans people). [b]Saying we come from Khoisans is as absurd as saying Khoisans come from us.[/b] It is as absurd as saying you come from your blood brother!! [b]You share parents with your brothers but you don't come from them![/b] We, aka all non-Khoisan people, just share common parents ancestors with Khoisan people. It's a brother-brother type of relationship not parent-children relationship. [b]Since the time of our common ancestors with Khoisans, our Khoisans brothers had more than enough time to become their own people, develop their own culture and develop their own languages!![/b] The language now spoken by the Khoisan may be completely different than the language spoken by the common ancestors of all humans (our common parents). In fact, it's possible that some characteristics of non-Khoisan languages like Indo-Europeans or Negro-Egyptians languages may be more similar to the ancient language spoken by the first humans (125kya). More likely is that all modern languages (including Khoisans) are relatively completely different than the languages spoken by the first humans groups (about 125kya). Some characteristic of the ancient languages could have been lost then reappeared again by pure coincidence and the fact that we can't make millions of different sounds with our mouth or even elaborate millions of different grammar form (for example we either place the subject before or after the verb. There's only 2 options at best. For "SVO" there's only 6 options SVO, OVS, SOV, OSV, VSO, VOS ). The repertoire of different sounds and grammar forms is extensive but still limited and thus some coincidental similarities are possible between modern languages and with past languages. As a side note the only characteristic of the Khoisans which could favor them to retain some ancient traits (genetic or linguistic) would be that they (possibly) went through less bottleneck situations (sharp decrease in population sizes). If you always maintain large populations, you have a bigger chance of retaining the diversity of some ancient features which wouldn't be wiped away at the same time of the sharp decrease in population size. Still, as I said, it's more likely that almost everything changed since 125kya for every modern populations. The only retained features by IE, NE or Khoisans would be purely coincidental or at best very random. [QUOTE] Indo-Europeans are related to Africans genetically, [/QUOTE]What?!? What do you mean by this? Indo-Europeans are not related to Africans beside through our common ancestors at the moment of the OOA migrations (some 65kya) and recent admixtures (20kya to be generous if not 12kya). That means there's a 65-20=45kya gaps minimally between the OOA migrations and any kind of back migration and admixtures between modern Africans and Eurasians. Of course, everything is relative. All humans are related, as we share common ancestors in Africa (125kya and later). I just want to repeat it again. You share common parent(s) with your blood brothers (like Khoisan people are brothers to us) you don't come from your brothers or you from them!! It's basic but important. Do you call your brother 'Daddy'. No, I don't think so. Khoisans are not your daddy! [/QB][/QUOTE]
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