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[QUOTE]Originally posted by BlessedbyHorus: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by beyoku: ^ At this point I think we need a bit of self reflection in order to hold ourselves to a higher standard. Online forums like this one that deal more so in [b]Bio-Anthropology[/b] and not simply "Egyptology" have all recently made a push into more hard science with the abundance of published data dealing with the recent advances in population genetics. ES needs to be critiqued...this is not a blame game. [/QUOTE]I understand 100% where you are coming from. And I'll even admit that in bio-anthropology that I am really still in the "basics" and have a lot of learning to do. I'm more versed in History. This seems to be the case for most on Egyptsearch, which isn't a bad thing imo... But history irrelevant in bio-anthropology discussions. [QUOTE]Originally posted by beyoku: This is where Egyptsearch has dropped the ball without even going into the Administration issues: -Collectively there is a lack of understanding of the data or at least a lack of application of this knowledge in any type of THOROUGH investigation/hypothesis into African Bio-history. Sure things are glossed over, we all know about E-M78 in the Balkans, but these ideas are not discussed in depth here.....they are more used as soundbytes to argue with white folks. [/QUOTE]As a new member I actually seem this. Studies not being studied in depth, but only being used as a tool against Eurocentrics. This is not a bad thing as I still do this on other sites, but again like you said that's not getting the full understandings of the data. Point is the 'Africanness' of Ancient Egypt has been won a long whole ago(at least in the academia online community). what else is there to prove? Now resources shoild be focused on "finding some of those mysteries/new ides." I believe that is what you are trying to hit home. We already know most the Ancient Egyptians were [I]"black"[/], but what populations did they cluster closely to in Africa? What were their migrations? And were they homogeneous or heterogeneous. Not that I am just trying to paraphrase what you been saying in how I read it. [QUOTE]Originally posted by beyoku: This is where ES fails compared to other Bio/Anthro forums. While most of this is our own fault, other Euro demographic Forum have the luxury of not being a haven to refute Afrocentric myth and are more geared to the study of themselves. There can be no in-depth discussion of African Substructure if the most vocal members of the site think 'All Africans are genetically close to each other' and ideas like this pretty much run unchecked. This decline is all the more evident with the exodus of veteran members. As it stands NOW [URL=http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=000925;p=1]National Geographic[/URL] would not needs to make a list refuting or copying the theories of ES as there is no new theory from ES to refute/copy. (To 2009 Members, it would seem that Nat Geo was reading ES and compiled the data you see from ES knowledge-base.....of course the story is more complicated but this is the just of it.) [/QUOTE]Good points and interesting. Yeah I heard ES was pretty big back in the day. Heck just looking at the older threads. Being that this is the internet I am not surprised that some data posted on ES influenced some mainstream scholars, but yeah just arguing back and forth with old studies could stump the growth of ES. I'm not gonna sit here and lie, I too am in a habit of continuing to use old studies and even theories. [QUOTE]Originally posted by beyoku: -ES lacks the knowledge or the Will to use publicly available tools to analyze publicly available data-sets. This simply is what it is and I dont think we can fault anyone. I would have hoped younger members being more technically inclined would have picked up this slack but it does not seem to be the case. We can rant and rave about STRUCTURE and ADMIXTURE and how it fails to capture the diversity of SSA but collectively ES is not using publicly available tools to analyze data and form our own hypothesis. Other forums have members that do this, ES misses out big with this. -ES Members lack the Will, Interest or financial resources to use commercially available companies in analyzing our own Genomic data and seeing how it relates to what we study. Dont know the reason behind it. I think only a hand full of folks have been tested...maybe 5. In other Forum this is a focal point of discussion both in terms of Uni-Parental data and Autosomal. Knowledge of self also leads to the discussion of SELF and away from refuting others which is more of a circular waste of time. [/qb][/QUOTE]I do one day would like to test my Autosomal DNA one day. My older sister who is in Ethiopia right now said she wants to get a ancestry DNA test and asked my mother and even grandfather to take the test with her, because they would be needed. But yeah I know of forums like Biodiversity having discussions about their Autosomal DNA. One of the few things I find interesting about that site. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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