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[QUOTE]Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova: [QB] I need to look at the pdf but it seems to me right off the bat that assorted authors do that capture a full snapshot the region "North Africa" but mostly a very selective coastal part. Karima et al 2011 for example use data from mostly coastal samples for "North Africa" covering Coastal Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and then Libyan Tuareg, and Northern/Lower Egypt up near the Cairo area. Why didn't they cover southern/Upper Egypt? Thus sweeping claims about "North Africa" can in a strict sense only apply to COASTAL North Africa. What about the rest of the region. like southern Egypt, etc? This is a long-standing issue- how they sample. And once they get the coastal samples to stand in for "North Africa" then they can conveniently juxtapose them against distant "Sub-Saharan" samples somewhere near the Congo. El-Sibai et al 2011 for example use the same "coastal" approach and then compare that to distant Congo, Gabon, Nigeria. But their "Middle Eastern" or "Eurasian" comparison sample is right next door- Syria, Israel, Lebanon. By contrast, they don't use the Sudan right next door to Egypt even though that location is also sometimes classified as "North African" by mainstream geography writings. We have seen this double standard time and time again, and Keita comments on such selective sampling in the literature. [IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4OHHIoPYpFE/U5aF-9WME4I/AAAAAAAAA_I/gaKr4UIiLXg/s1600/northafricadefinition.jpg[/IMG] The statement: [b]Modern North Africans' recent origin is outside Africa[/b] Is misleading when the full picture is considered as detailed above. It would be more accurate to say that SOME modern North African's recent origin, using mostly COASTAL sampling, may be outside of Africa. [b]Here are other "North Africans"- that somehow "disappear" in many studies... [/b] [IMG]https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3058/2668468424_68e454bf5b.jpg[/IMG] Chad [IMG]http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/01/09/opinion/kristof-carter01/kristof-carter01-blog533.jpg[/IMG] Sudan [IMG]http://www.afronline.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/mali-timbuktu1.jpg[/IMG] Mali [IMG]http://newint.org/columns/country/2009/09/01/425-36-people-of-niger.jpg[/IMG] Niger.. [IMG]http://looklex.com/e.o/slides/mauritania.peoples.oualata01.jpg[/IMG] Mauritania The above peoples are all mostly ABOVE the Saharan line. But apparently, they ain't "authentically" North African enough.. Maybe they ain't "really" black... [/QB][/QUOTE]
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