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[QUOTE]Originally posted by tropicals redacted: [QB] Anson said in a previous thread: http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=008716;p=6 [QUOTE] Kemp is not talking like someone who is deliberately spreading misinformation or someone who is biased as compared to his colleagues. The reverse could be argued to be the case given his treatment of the skeletal data in his book. Carlos Coke has given him many opportunities to incriminate himself on record and, from memory, this is all Carlos Coke has to show re: Kemp's comments on the indigenousness of the ethnic Egyptians. [/QUOTE]Ok, let's see... 20/01/2014 My e-mail to Barry Kemp-- [QUOTE] I visited the British Library and was able to get hold of Qubbet el Hawa und Elephantine: Zur Bevolkerungsgeschichte von Agypten? by FW Rösing, whose dendograms feature in your book. Although most of it is in German, there was some very interesting content in English, which indicated that Nubians and Predynastic Egyptians both came from the same population. Here's a quote from the page I've attached to this e-mail: "The dendograms for male and female groups with 10 and 14 measurements primarily reproduce the geographic differentiation (Abb. 130 to 133). Single samples sometimes occupy a distant position, but in general the samples from one region are found in one common cluster. It is important to note that Egyptian and Nubian groups are practically not separated; there are large mixed clusters, and those clusters which are dominated by one of these countries are closely similar. This is a first indication that former statements in favour of a stronger separation might be explained by too limited a geographic scope. Predynastic Egyptians join Nubians or composite Egyptian/Nubian clusters, but not predominantly historic Egyptian clusters. The groups of both countries are quite distinct from all other regions. Among them north Arabia and Asia are not well defined, whereas the groups from eastern Africa, Greece and north-western Africa are more often found in a common cluster. Thus, in general, geographic distribution influences the dendograms, temporal and social influence is of only secondary importance. - Theoretically any group affinity assessment includes stochastic effects. For this reason a pooling of local samples into 14 regional taxa had been performed in order to deduce taxonomic statements. The four Egyptian and Nubian taxa join each other above the 99.9% similarity level - so they belong to one morphologically homogeneous population (Abb.134) (p226)." I also re-read the following in your book, Anatomy of a Civilization: "In the south, the material culture of Nagada had much more in common with that of northern Nubia, its neighbour, and the peoples of the two areas were closely similar at the skeletal level" (p89). I wondered if, well as "closely similar", it would have been even more illuminating to have quoted "above the 99.9% similarity level" and included the finding that Predynastic Egyptians and Nubians belonged "to one morphologically homogeneous population." [/QUOTE]20/01/2014 Kemp replied-- [QUOTE] You cite the Elephantine data. Yes, they demonstrate the expected similarity that adjacent populations have the world over. [/QUOTE]However, [b]Sidney Anson [/b] commented (sorry it's a FB comment so no date, but it's around the time of Kemp's reply) [/QUOTE] [QUOTE] [b]This is a bullshit concession. They weren't morphologically close because they were neighbours; they were morphologically close because they both descend from the same root population. And this similarity was not at all "expected" to academics; they have gone to great lengths to find evidence for a break in morphological continuity along the Egypto-Nubian border. Some have even went as far as using dynastic Egyptian political policies as "evidence" for the existence of racial tensions, re: Amenemhat closed the border to Nubians because he hated them. Which brings us to another point which Kemp loves to ignore: any deviation on the part of later Egyptians is due to a departure from this common ancestral type. He tries to promote the later, derived Egyptian types as the biologically quintessential Ancient Egyptian by implying that populations who retained similarities to the proto Egyptians (i.e. the Elephantine population) owe their similarity to other Africans because they were in close contact with Nubians.”[/b] [/QUOTE] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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