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[QUOTE]Originally posted by the questioner: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by the questioner: Ernest babelon speaks of these coins discovered at trasimene [URL=https://books.google.com/books?id=u5QUAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA155&dq=ernest+babelon+negre&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj0lZHf7tDUAhXCaT4KHcFRB9EQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=ernest%20babelon%20negre&f=false]https://books.google.com/books?id=u5QUAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA155&dq=ernest+babelon+negre&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj0lZHf7tDUAhXCaT4KHcFRB9EQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=ernest%20babelon%20negre&f=fals e[/URL] Carthaginian men wore earrings just like the man on the coin "quia incedunt cum anulatis auribus" (Well here they(Carthaginians) are with ear rings) poenulus by plautus V.II. 982 [/qb][/QUOTE]^Excellent source, in French that does describe the coin found at Trasimene although the site of a battle does not mean the same location was the site of a mint where coins were struck However the text describes the head as that of Hannibal's elephant rider. If the man is an elephant rider and the elephant was Indian that does not mean that an African manhout could not also train and ride an Indian elephant. As for earrings they are not mentioned in these several pages about the coin. To my eyes I don't even see earrings worn by the men on these coins! I have also not noticed a Carthaginian artifact depicting a male with earrings, have you seen one? However earrings worn by men are numerous in Egyptian depictions of Nubians. It seems that the man in this coin might have been described as 'Aethiopian' but was Hannibal described that way? It would not be unreasonable to guess that Hannibal might have looked partially Lebanese as well as African. As to the ratio of people of Phoenician descent to people of African descent living in Carthage at the time that is not known. It was founded by a foreign culture. How would they be able to take over a larger number of Africans if there was a large number of Africans already settled there? The indigenous people of the region today are often smaller sized groups of nomadic peoples and there is no evidence of sedentary culture in the Maghreb before the Phoenicians and Greeks until you go back about a thousand years earlier. It was believed in ancient times that Africa was originally populated by Gaetulians and Libyans, both nomadic peoples. You went to great lengths in another thread of yours to say that the Carthaginians did not have coins, only leather money but now without evidence you claim that the famous Carthaginian, Hannibal commissioned this coin and at the same time say at the time he did so he was no longer Carthaginian! Furthermore in the same thread you went to great lengths to say all coins mentioned in this period depicted gods and goddesses rather than real people. But could this coin be a depiction of Hannibal himself? Maybe As for the Carthaginians you should be able to find other Carthaginian artifacts for context [/QB][/QUOTE]you must remember that Carthage was utterly destroyed so finding artifacts will be very difficult i thoroughly proved that all of the so called artifacts of Carthage are Greek "^Excellent source, in French that does describe the coin found at Trasimene although the site of a battle does not mean the same location was the site of a mint where coins were struck" (these coins could be found no where else also you must remember that Hannibal was the only man at trasimene that distinguish himself who rode an Asiatic elephant) !. "However the text describes the head as that of Hannibal's elephant rider." Hannibal's elephant rider were from India which i have proven 2. "If the man is an elephant rider and the elephant was Indian that does not mean that an African manhout could not also train and ride an Indian elephant." Hannibal's elephant drivers were from india 3. "As for earrings they are not mentioned in these several pages about the coin. To my eyes I don't even see earrings worn by the men on these coins!" the earrings are faded how ever you can see them in this coin http://www.beforebc.de/all_africa/02-16-100-54-car-73-000-20-10-01.jpg 4. "I have also not noticed a Carthaginian artifact depicting a male with earrings, have you seen one?" what your falsely assuming is Carthaginian art work is actually Greek art work 5. "However earrings worn by men are numerous in Egyptian depictions of Nubians. It seems that the man in this coin might have been described as 'Aethiopian' but was Hannibal described that way?" Hannibal was called an Afer which is equivalent to Ethiopian ”Neger: aethiops; afer; femina aethiops; afra.” Neues deutsch-lateinisches Handwörterbuch nach F.K. Kraft's grösserem Werke ... By Friedrich Karl Kraft 1826 6. "It would not be unreasonable to guess that Hannibal might have looked partially Lebanese as well as African." there were no Lebanese during antiquity only Phoenicians the modern Lebanese are mixed with various middle eastern people through out the years 7. "As to the ratio of people of Phoenician descent to people of African descent living in Carthage at the time that is not known. It was founded by a foreign culture. How would they be able to take over a larger number of Africans if there was a large number of Africans already settled there? The indigenous people of the region today are often smaller sized groups of nomadic peoples and there is no evidence of sedentary culture in the Maghreb before the Phoenicians and Greeks until you go back about a thousand years earlier. It was believed in ancient times that Africa was originally populated by Gaetulians and Libyans, both nomadic peoples. " the Swahili is a prime example of what the Phoenician population did at Carthage Swahili culture is foreign but the inhabitants are African here is a portrait of tippu tib an Africanized Arab his real name is Hamad bin Muhammad bin Juma bin Rajab el Murjebi (if you would have read about him in a book and never saw his image, you would have thought he looked like an Arab instead of African) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Tippu_Tip.jpg/220px-Tippu_Tip.jpg 8. "You went to great lengths in another thread of yours to say that the Carthaginians did not have coins, only leather money but now without evidence you claim that the famous Carthaginian, Hannibal commissioned this coin and at the same time say at the time he did so he was no longer Carthaginian! Furthermore in the same thread you went to great lengths to say all coins mentioned in this period depicted gods and goddesses rather than real people." the Carthaginians did not strike coins themselves however these coins of Hannibal were created by the etruscans who Hannibal promised to free from the oppression of Rome all of the coins that are said to be associated with Carthage depict Greek gods and goddess the coins of Persephone (tanit) were brought to Carthage by agathocles of syracuse 9. "But could this coin be a depiction of Hannibal himself? Maybe As for the Carthaginians you should be able to find other Carthaginian artifacts for context" artifacts? hardly because Carthage was destroyed Delenda est carthago hopefully you heard that proverb before [b]Mod Edit[/b] Please use images that do not stretch page. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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