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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Antalas: [qb] [QUOTE] [b] according to somebody like you, African diversity and history only comes from contact and mixture with Europeans.[/b] [/QUOTE] [QUOTE] [b]Ethiopians and blacks from North East Africa were the first settlers of Eurasia[/b] [/QUOTE] [QUOTE] [b]Europe has absolutely nothing to do with that and the presence of so-called Eurasian genes does not change black Africans into Europeans.[/b] [/QUOTE] [QUOTE] [b]aboriginal Europeans were also black. So obviously they got their features from Africans and this is the thing they are so busy trying to deny.[/b] [/QUOTE] [QUOTE] [b]you don't accept that North Africans are Africans because they carry African genes.[/b] [/QUOTE] [QUOTE] [b]You are basically trying to argue that no blacks EVER existed in the Sahara[/b] [/QUOTE]This is exactly what I said in one of the post above : " [b]Also have I ever denied the presence of dark skinned folks in the Sahara ?[/b] " [QUOTE] [b]The Wet Sahara was full of black Africans and this is where the ancestors of ancient black coastal North Africans originated.[/b] [/qb][/QUOTE]So since you keep posting images of confusion because you are indeed confused. First, the post below shows everything that I said above that you quoted is correct. And this is to the crux of your whole reason for being on this forum. First, you absolutely believe that over 10,000 years ago a group of light skinned Eurasians appeared in North Africa as a "package". And this "package" or "cultural complex" was basically derived from Eurasia, including language and culture. As such these populations were not AFRICANS and distinguished themselves from Africans. And this cultural complex is what is being identified as "Berber" in the sense of being a "race" defined by phenotype, language and culture as ultimately Eurasian in origin. And this is what you just quoted below after arguing up and down on other threads otherwise. Therefore, in order for that to be true, there could not have been any migration of Saharans into Coastal North Africa during or after the last wet phase. And in addition, that also means that the Berber language could not have arisen among populations migrating out of the Sahara as well from regions South and East. All of that is exactly what your position here and what you swear us "Afrocentrics" need to be educated on. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Antalas: [qb] [/QUOTE]Reality : [QUOTE] [b]In the course of these pages, North Africa has thus appeared to us as an African land resolutely turned towards Mediterranean Europe and the Near East. The first Homo sapiens who inhabited it, the Iberomaurusians and the Capsians, can in no way be compared to the races of Black Africa. [...] The present population continues and reflects to a large extent that of the past. The Mediterraneans form the majority and descendants of the Cro-Magnons of Mechta-Afalou can be found there. [/b] [/QUOTE]D. Ferembach, Histoire raciale de l'Afrique du Nord, p. 136 [/qb][/QUOTE]Which confirms everything about you and what you believe. Unfortunately again, the Taforalt paper DOES NOT support any of that and is basically somthing that promotes an ideology that is the core of this Berber nationalism created by the French. And yes, Denise Frerembach was a French anthropologist along with Gabriel Camps. We discussed this before and you keep repeating false information. https://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=013246;p=1 https://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=013252;p=1#000010 https://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=013254;p=1#000001 In all of these threads you jumped and contradicted yourself saying that Berbers weren't Europeans while quoting authors saying they exactly were. You are all over the place including arguing that North Africans shouldn't be just called 'Africans' as if Africa implies Central and South Africa, even after starting a thread showing clearly that the fist use of the word Africa was in coastal North Africa. I don't even know why you keep kidding yourself believing you are proving something to somebody with your nonsense. Not only that, you keep quoting from the French Berber Encyclopedia while claiming that you are proud of your history, but all of that is being written and defined by the French. The former colonizers of North Africa. But according to you the French colonists didn't have an impact and aren't mixing with you even though millions of Berbers live in France and you even posted pictures of Berbers married to French people. Nothing you say has any value as all you do is whine and moan about the fact that blacks have always been in Africa trying to maintain this mythology of an exclusively white ancient North Africa as if all of North Africa is along the coast. Dude. You are obsessed with this foolishness to the point you don't even see when people agree with you on some points. But whatever. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Antalas: [qb] [QUOTE] [b]Your attempts to jump around history and pretend that black African history starts with Islam or Turks or Romans is stupid.[/b] [/QUOTE][IMG]https://media.giphy.com/media/xTiTnIilwuFFFpf2Cc/giphy.gif[/IMG] [QUOTE] [b]Because in reality you know that coastal North Africa is mixed because of all these invaders, from Romans, to Greeks, to Islam and the Colonial European powers. And therefore that is the only 'history' you can speak of which is the history of mixing.[/b] [/QUOTE]Romans : [QUOTE] It has thus been argued that soldiers were likely to have found partners among local,non-Roman women; their children, then, would be good candidates for a pool of people among whom a hybrid ethnic identity might emerge. [b]Examples might include Carteia in Spain and Lugdunum Convenarum in France, both said to be populated by children of Roman soldiers and local women (Woolf 2011: 18). However, in the case of North Africa, such evidence as we have for such relationships—typically commemorative epitaphs—shows virtually no such mixing; in fact, the chief pool of women to whom soldiers had recourse were the daughters of their comrades or predecessors (Cherry 1998: 101–40).[/b] [/QUOTE]Jeremy Mcinerney, Ethnicity in the ancient mediterranean, pp. 120 [QUOTE] [b]In fact, if we seek to determine the numerical importance of the contingent of Roman or Italian immigrants in Africa, we have every reason to admit that it was small: and it does not grow much even if we add the non-Italian immigrants.[/b] These immigrants include senior civil servants, but the junior staff of the offices are recruited locally; a few large landowners, but most often they reside in Rome and are represented in Africa by stewards and farmers, many of local origin; a few Italian, Oriental or Spanish merchants in the cities of the coast and in a few large localities in the interior such as Cirta. [b]These are contributions that do not change the Berber character[/b] [...]" [/QUOTE]L. Leschi, L'Afrique Romaine Greeks : [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/iyeoA0E.jpg[/IMG] "Islam" : [URL=http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=013222]Already made a thread that debunk this[/URL] "Colonial european powers" : wasn't SSA also colonized by them ? [URL=http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=010077;p=15]Here you have a whole collection of modern NA results where is the french admixture ? [/URL] [/qb][/QUOTE]I am talking about the fact that so many "berbers" live in France and obviously many of them are marrying French people. And the same goes or those Africans from other parts of Africa who migrate to France. And France is closer to North Africa than is to West Africa. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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