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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Tukuler: [qb] Djehuti we've known each other for over a decade. We've supported each others' findings and often supplemented each others knowledge base. So I'm going to be raw (explicit and disregard niceties). Which two words? What? R u kiddin me? Looks like someone didn't read the quote? The 2 pertinent words about Cleo's colour. What else?[/qb][/QUOTE]Sorry, but I wish you were more specific as I didn't know you were referring to Cleo's description. I read only her "white breasts" and the rest about her white dress. Though I don't see how this could discount the possibility of mixed ancestry. [b]Meghan Markle[/b] [IMG]https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/10/16/04/5076064-6280181-Meghan_today_in_Australia-a-99_1539661912648.jpg[/IMG] [b]Halsey[/b] [IMG]https://headlineplanet.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Halsey-Press-Photo-Full-531x797.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE][qb]Oh yeah, there's them African servants one poster surmised, but that's well over two words in length telling of variety in skin colour and hair texture. DJ, how can you talk your way around equivalancies I've drawn for men of power with legitimate heirs from wives of their own race vs bastards from sex slaves. Why special plead a favored case in the face of parsimony -- the matrilineity of the legitimate is unaffected by their sibling-same- father by mother of subjected race whether. This holds water regardless if African potentates with Turk wenches, Washington and Jefferson with "Brown Sugar"s, or any Ptolemy with their African concubines. The concubine-mother cannot effect the race of the wife-mother's children. It's simply impossible. This isn't intellectualism. We have hundreds of years of Arabic speakers specifically choosing each concubine from a different race so they will have children half of that race. My black son is neither probably or possibly part 'white' because he has siblings who have white mothers be they pink, beige, or 'olive'. This isn't sophistry, I'm talking day to day practiced living reality perhaps unknown to your average western[=white] socialized person totally unfamiliar with, and ashamed of, any but the epitomized non-Mormon white Christian society one husband one wife supposedly no-cheating nuclear family. Socially recognized mistress, side squeeze, one nighter, whatever do not and cannot effect the legal wife's issue because it's not from any of their wombs. Hence popular usage [i]"My brother from a different mother."[/i] Most of y'all just simply would not understand polygyny, less lone racial polygyny. Djehuti, is this alien to the common man Pinoy family structures before the Spanish? Are there families with some Tisoy 1/2 siblings? Does this make all Pinoy suspect Tisoy? [/qb][/QUOTE]This is all dependent on the cultural dynamics of power and legitimacy. There is a difference between slave concubines and free concubines and especially those who may be of high status as the Greek texts seem to imply that the women in the Ptolemy harem were not common. And then there is also the possibility of full wife status as I pointed out the Diadochi did marry native women to establish their power. I don't see what made Soter any different and judging by the book you cited by Dr. Yosef Ben-Jochannan, he wasn't since he married a royal princess called Hadra. Cleo's half-sister Arsinoe showed mixed African ancestry yet she was legitimate enough to have the royal title of princess. And yes, as a Pinoy I do understand because of Spanish colonization. Many a Spanish conquistador or Don had both native Filipina wives as well as concubines. Traditional Catholic and Orthodox Christianity while not accepting polygamy did tolerate concubinage though still viewing it as unseemly. How else do you explain the Mestizo class in the Philippines though not quite as large as that in Latin America for the obvious reason that the Spanish colonial presence wasn't as great in the Philippines as in the Americas. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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