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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Tukuler: [qb] Slow down. Last post already clarified for you it's the garment's color that's white. I'm saying these mistranslations are 19th century Eurocentrisms * gleam =/= white * snow = a fabrication, is not found in the original Lucan Latin poem. [/qb][/QUOTE]So it's similar to the misleading translation in Egyptian texts of 'hedj' determinative for "shiny" into "white". [QUOTE][qb]The line in Lucan's poem following the garments are explicit that the Lebanese fabric was rewoven and actually begins with the word for thread in the preceding line. [i] filo , Quod Nilotis acus compressum pectine [b]Serum[/b] Solvit, et extenso laxavit stamina velo.[/i] fabric, which, the needle of the workman of the Nile has separated, in the close texture wrought by the sley of the Seres, and has loosened the warp by stretching out the web.[/qb][/QUOTE]Right, so they took the imported Seres wool fabric and resewed it with the byssos/sea-silk. [QUOTE][qb]SIDEBAR: Hey! Know nothing about Seres nor Tocharians but does that relate to this Tarim Basin mummies race controversy 'concluded' this season in favor of Asian not European biology? Though he knows a Seres people far up Nile, this seres of our concern is Lucan's Serum. If time didn't allow examining this from last post https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.04.0063:id=sericum-cn then try the short stack https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=serum&la=la&can=serum0&prior=pectine&d=Perseus:text:1999.04.0063:alphabetic%20letter=S:entry=sericum-cn&i=1 This from Pliny? Is it more in line with your better known Seres/Tocharians? https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0137%3Abook%3D6%3Achapter%3D20 [/qb][/QUOTE]'Indo-European' as linguistical-cultural heritage is not synonymous with European let alone European biology. The [URL=https://fromtheparapet.wordpress.com/2019/07/10/tarim-mummies/]Tarim Mummies[/URL] have been extensively studied including their [URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarim_mummies#Genetic_studies]genetics[/URL]. Skeletally, the Tarim people have the most affinities to the people of the [URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afanasievo_culture]Afanasievo Culture[/URL] which resided in the Minusinsk Basin and the western Altai area, which was the exact same area the later Seres inhabited and were probably ancestral to them. The Tocharians had a prevalence of red hair, while the Seres had a prevalence of blonde hair. A [URL=https://sci-hub.se/https://doi.org/10.1002/ajpa.23607]2017 study[/URL] shows that 92% of the Tarim males had hg R1a1-M17 with the remaining 8% had hg K-M9*. The maternal clades were much more diverse with Western Eurasian clades H, K, U5, U7, U2e, T and R*; East Asian clades B5, D and G2a; North Asian clades C4 and C5; and South Asian clades M* and M5. Curiously the most recent [URL=https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-04052-7]study[/URL] published by [i]Nature[/i] that came out last month shows that autosomally the Tarim people were predominantly Ancient North Eurasian in ancestry with the remaining ancestry being Early Bronze Age Baikal Siberian. So while the Tarim/Tocharian peoples and their Seres neighbors may not be biologically "European" this does not mean they were not "white" in the typological sense especially from their paternal side. Which means that 'whites' proper may not be confined to the European subcontinent anymore than 'blacks' to Sub-Sahara. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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