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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Oshun: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] Haplogroup R-V88 is thought to originated in thew Cameroon/Chad region [/qb][/QUOTE]You might wanna revisit [URL=http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=009543;p=1#000018]that post[/URL]. The 7ky old V88 Y chromosome in Iberia casts doubt on V88 originating in West/Central Africa. It can't be in West/Central Africa and Iberia at the same time so close to its estimated age. You're better off stating that most or all of the [i]current[/i] variation of R-V88 comes from the Cameroon/Chad region. I think you might have missed that extra information because I see that you quoted an [URL=http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=009543;p=1#000019]older version[/URL] of that post at the time that doesn't contain the caveats I put in there. [/qb][/QUOTE]But weren't Iberians around this time Africans? :confused: 2005 Eva Fernández Domínguez [b]Nerja, Málaga (Spain)[/b] NE-NM82.2 (Sample Name 2NE): Haplogroup J*: 17000-20000 NE-NAP (Sample Name 4NE): Haplogroup L1b: 2,260 BC NE-1829 (Sample Name 5NE): Haplogroup L1b: 5.875±80 A.P. [b]Tres Montes, Navarra (Spain)[/b] TM-3: (sample name: 1TM2): Haplogroup L2: 4130 A.P TM-6: (sample name: 1TM4): Haplogroup L2: 4130 A.P TM-6: (sample name: 2TM4): Haplogroup H/K: 4130 A.P TM-8: (sample name: 1TM5) Haplogroup J* : 4130 A.P TM-11: (sample name: 1TM6) Haplogroup L2: 4130 A.P TM-18: (sample: 1TM11) Haplogroup L2: 4130 A.P [b]Toledo, Portugal[/b] K-13 (Sample Name: TO1): Haplogroup L3a: 9200-7800 A.P. [/qb][/QUOTE]I wouldn't go as far as to say that contemporary Iberians as a whole were biologically Africans, just that they likely had substantially more African ancestry than contemporary mainland Neolithic and Bronze Age Europeans away from coastal areas in reach of Africans. La Brana also dates to this period and, aside from some what looks like African ancestry in his genome, he's definitely not African. As I told Clyde, read the post I linked to for context of what I said. In that post I said that the Iberian R-V88 carrier might be a North African branch independent of the V88 that ended up going to West/Central Africa. So, I didn't bring up Iberian V88 to argue it originated there. I was trying to argue that it's unlikely that ALL North African V88 headed to West/Central Africa. Remember that V88 got introduced to the ancestors of Chadic speakers at a time when Chadic might have still been a common language with, or at least in contact with, proto-Berber. In that case, some carriers could have stayed in North Africa, while some carriers went south. The southern branch could then have later migrated to North Africa again, explaining why R-V88 in Siwa Berbers and other North Africans looks at least partly like a West/Central African ancestry (as opposed to a North African one). [/QB][/QUOTE]
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