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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ish Gebor: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by JoshuaConnerMoon: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Oshun: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by JoshuaConnerMoon: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Oshun: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by JoshuaConnerMoon: [qb] Problem is afrocentrists (esp. doug) keep setting up the straw man that "eurocentrics" (who don't even exist - no one has ever claimed Europeans founded Early Dynastic Egypt) state the Egyptians were "white". [/qb][/QUOTE]" Egypt progressed, and why, because it was Caucasian." Campbell 1851, p. 10–12. In 1854, Josiah C. Nott with George Glidden saod "the Caucasian or white, and the Negro races were distinct at a very remote date, and that the Egyptians were Caucasians." Baum 2006, p. 108 Please do better about your claims, this could be found with a basic wiki search. Today, Eurocentrics don't as often say words like "Caucasian" directly, but will use buzzwords like "Caucasoid" and "Negroid" or "Eurasians" to low key inject themselves into the conversation.[/QUOTE]Morton, Nott & Gliddon described the Egyptians as [b]reddish-brown[/b] skinned and darker than Greeks. My point was no anthropologist has ever said Egyptians had a white complexion; this is a straw man Doug sets up.[/qb][/QUOTE]But it would incorrect to infer Eurocentrism hasn't existed within "Egyptology" just because people didn't argue Egyptians had a white complexion. As you saw in one of the people here that I'd quoted, they were trying to suggest that while not typical of Europeans, they had features that were [b]possible[/b] for Europeans to have. With buzzwords like "Eurasian" or "Caucasoid" to replace "Caucasian," Eurocentrics have attempted to be more subtle, but Eurocentrism hasn't gone away. Eurocentrism will briefly and arbitrarily extend it's identity to be more inclusive in certain areas it has to (like in academia). But such extensions have no basis in the real world. Historically, Eurocentrism and white supremacist attitudes have been intertwined. The diffusion model is the latest attempt at minimizing Egypt's African identity to preserve the same white supremacist interests. When they suggest that "Eurasians" or foreign "Caucasoids" mixed with "real" Africans (significantly), the implication is the same theme of African [b]dependence[/b]. This time, the theme is geared towards making Africa appear highly dependent on a foreign (and fictional) group that's identity can be extended to Europe. While white supremacists would prefer to discuss Egypt as Eurocentrically as possible, even if they can't do so overtly, as long as it's not a "black thing" they will live. That would be enough to satiate their political agendas. This slick sh!t is not lost on researchers. --"We can REJECT a simple model of long-term continuous gene flow between the Near East(QATAR/ARABIA) and North Africa" (contradicting simplistic claims of hordes of "Middle Easterners" flowing into Africa) --"Maghrebi populations do not represent a large-scale demic diffusion of agropastoralists from the Near East/Arabia." (again debunking simplistic claims of "Middle Easterners" flowing into Africa to "tutor" the natives- a staple claim in some quarters) Genomic Ancestry of North Africans Supports Back-to-Africa Migrations. Henn et. Al 2012 [QUOTE][qb] Also I would not label Morton, Nott or Gliddon "Eurocentrists". They actually changed their views to argue ancient Egyptians were native Saharan Africans, not a colony of Asiatics or Indo-Arabians as Morton formerly argued. In 1854, Nott & Gliddon ([i]Types of Mankind[/i], p. 232) quote a letter Morton wrote in 1850: "You allude to my altered view in Ethnology, but it consists in regarding the Egyptian race as indigenous people of the valley of the Nile. Not Asiatics in any sense of the word, but autochthones of the country and the authors of their own civilization." Nott & Gliddon also modified their views to support Morton. In another letter Morton wrote: "[i] recant so much of my published opinions as respects the origin of the Egyptians. The never came from Asia, but are the indigenous or aboriginal inhabitants of the valley of the Nile."[/i][/qb][/QUOTE]You said [b]no one[/b] argued they were white. Taking back a point of view doesn't erase the prior beliefs they'd held from history. Eurocentrics like I said use words like "Caucasoid" or "Eurasian" to create groups that are socially irrelevant, but academically place them near Khemet's history. [/qb][/QUOTE]There is no such thing as "Eurocentrism": the Asiatic/Dynastic race theories and Hamiticism do not say migrants from Europe created ancient Egyptian civilization, but peoples from Southwest Asia. And as I keep repeating, no one has ever said ancient Egyptians were white skinned; this is a straw man Afrocentrists like Doug set up. Furthermore, I dispute the Asiatic/Dynastic race theories and Hamiticism have anything to do with racism. They trace back to Biblical thinking, i.e. Old Testament geneology. Same for the tripartite "Caucasoid"/"Negroid"/"Mongoloid" racial division - invented to match Noah's three sons (Cuvier) and in Blumenbach Caucasoids (Caucasians) are archetypal (i.e. the original or progenitor race everyone else sprung from) because the Caucasus mountains was where he thought Noah's Ark landed. "the term “Caucasoid” traces back to the Old Testament story of Noah”s Ark" - Takezawa Y: Problems with the terms: “Caucasoid”, “Mongoloid” and “Negroid”. Zinbun. 2011, 43: 61-68 [/qb][/QUOTE]""the term “Caucasoid” traces back to the Old Testament story of Noah”s Ark" Where in the Torah is the word Caucasoid written? :confused: SHOW IT!!! [URL=http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=010701;p=1#000000] The beautiful skull and Blumenbach’s errors[/URL] [IMG]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2689/4238656984_8fb41e9206_z.jpg?zz=1[/IMG] [IMG]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3003/2359958575_11b2091f1d_o.jpg[/IMG] http://www.flickr.com/photos/sergi_bernal/2359958575/in/set-72157603132968848/ [IMG]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2379/2475694262_dc81e52a78_o.jpg[/IMG] http://www.flickr.com/photos/sergi_bernal/2475694262/in/set-72157603132968848/ [/QB][/QUOTE]
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