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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Oshun: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by JoshuaConnerMoon: [qb] I've [i]never[/i] described southern Europeans as white in pigmentation, e.g. going back to January 2012 (over 5 years), here is a comment I posted about the Luschan scale: [QUOTE]Tanned or [b]olive skin[/b] appears in the band 16-21, and it is neither light or dark, it occupies a medial position of skin tone [b]most Mediterranean people have[/b].[/QUOTE]So you're lying about my position. And taking a quote out of context about Greek [i]gods and goddesses[/i] I made before I even studied ancient Greek colour terms doesn't change this fact (i.e. 'leukos' does not only translate as milk or chalk white). Regardless, here's how I described the typical ancient Greek in July 2011: [QUOTE][qb]dusky or brownish-white skin, black or deep-brown eyes, black hair, mostly wavy or curly.[/QUOTE]Clearly not white.[/qb] [/QUOTE]You were using descriptions of their Gods and mythological figures to suggest the Greek people were white. [QUOTE]Originally posted by cassiterides: [qb] ''Were the Greeks Pinks?'' ===== Ruddiness/redness is associated with fair pale skin. ἔμπυρρος: "ruddy" ἐνερεύθομαι: "to be somewhat ruddy," ἐνερευθής: "somewhat ruddy" ἐρευθαλέος: "ruddy," ἐρυθρίας: "of ruddy complexion," Most ancient Greek Gods etc are ruddy: ''Let he children of Pelops perish when it comes to a comparison with the shoulder of Perseus! for beautiful as he is and ruddy of face'' - Philostratus Elder, Imagines, I ''So he was lifted by the dancing feet of the others, with red skin, his whole face emitting ruddy rays and shining between, them, the very image of the crescent moon.'' - Nonnus, Dionysiaca 18. 93 ''...who is named with the name of this land, ruddy Bacchus to whom Bacchants cry'' - Sophocles, Oedipus Tyrannus, 210 ''But ruddy Ceres in mid heat is mown, And in mid heat the parched ears are bruised'' - Virgil, Georgics 1. 287 Rosy-fingered (ῥοδο-δάκτυλος) was an epithet for Eos. Ruddy was also applied to physically describe ordinary Greek (and Roman) citizens: ''TRACHALIO Have you seen to-day, while you've been standing here, any young man, of courageous aspect, ruddy, stout, of genteel appearance, come by this way, who was taking with him three men in scarfs, with swords?'' - T. Maccius Plautus, Rudens 2.2 ''PAMPHILUS Then I'll tell you how to know it; a huge fellow, ruddy, with curly hair, fat, with gray eyes and freckled countenance.'' - P. Terentius Afer (Terence), Hecyra III. 4 Most Roman emperors were also described as ''ruddy''. Suetonius describing Emperor Domitian: ''He was tall in stature, his face modest, and very ruddy; he had large eyes, but was dim-sighted; naturally graceful in his person, particularly in his youth..'' [/qb][/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Originally posted by cassiterides: [qb] ''Agamemnon is in direct descent from Epaphos, the Black ancestor of the Pelasgic house. Aeschylus in Prometheus Bound, describes Epaphos as "swarthy of hue" and that he originally lived in Africa.'' ========= And yet Io, the mother of Epaphus is physically described as white skinned. Ovid (Metamorphoses, 1. 712 ff): ''And now imperial Juno, pacified, permitted Io to resume her form, at once the hair fell from her [b]snowy sides[/b];the horns absorbed, her dilate orbs decreased;the opening of her jaws contracted; hands appeared and shoulders; and each transformed hoof became five nails. And every mark or form that gave the semblance of a heifer changed,except her [b]fair white skin[/b]'' :rolleyes: [/qb][/QUOTE] [QUOTE]And I've made this distinction between average northern and southern European pigmentation -the entire time- going back to my first account in 2010. In contrast you make no such distinction and maximize your definition of "black" skin to include much lighter brown skin shades, so you can lump Egyptians to fit your pan-African politics. [/QUOTE]I think you missed the part where I said I don't believe the average AE skin tone was especially light. And for those it was I make "no distinctions" as far as what? I'm not blind, I know they're not the same skin shade. That doesn't mean that light skinned people are automatically genetically more distant to darker skinned people. A lighter skinned Ngwa Igbo is not going to be more closely related to a lighter skinned San than a darker skinned Igbo. [QUOTE] [QUOTE]I accused you of trying to de Africanize Egypt because that's what Eurocentric and racist thinkers do. They have a history of trying to place Egypt (culturally or biologically) not with related and nearby Africans, but in the Middle East or Europe so they can make bigoted judgements to most of Africa.[/QUOTE]This comment is 100% fact. Populations from Sub-Saharan Africa lacked ancient civilization and did not accomplish as much as others, that's why all Afrocentrists latch on to Egypt. Why would you deny this? Why is it "bigoted" to point this out? [/QUOTE]I simply said bigoted judgements. The guy fills in the statement and then asks how others would think he's bigoted for saying it. Some things I'll add: 1. This should be pretty obvious but Pre Dynastic Egyptians for thousands of years lived in lands that were not "Saharan." To say it moar: They and today's "Sub Saharan Africans" lived alike in an Africa without a bigass desert. You're applying modern geological constructs to ancient people who hadn't lived in a full blown desert for very long before dynastic Egypt started. The Sahara hadn't completely returned in a window span of a few centuries before Dynastic Egypt or a few centuries after. 2. The populations that made Egypt came from the South and moved North, this is why we see the affinities we do to many SSA populations. 3. Many modern SSA descendants are related to populations that lived in the Sahara and Sahel. Tichitt's Mande civilization was contemporary to Greece and Rome. after the extended drying conditions and tensions from foreigners facing the same ecological stressors forced them to move South. These "SSA" from Tichitt's civilization then made the Ghana Empire, and from Ghana other civilizations came to pass. As for accomplishments,SSA contributed to the development of math, art, fractals/algorithms etc. You compare them to some abstract "other civilizations" to deliberately create fodder for dehumanizing SSA. Should the idea they achieve less be your position, [b]most[/b] civilizations had some "other" civilization that achieved more. The belief another civilization achieved more is not the problem here, it's the racial bigotry that is targeted towards SSA over the idea. These bigoted attitudes don't extend to Europeans even when you say they were mediocre. [QUOTE][qb] And I've pointed out the exact same thing about northern Europeans. Just compare the lack of civilization in Britain (pre-Roman) to Rome. [/qb][/QUOTE]You haven't discussed Britain in a way that implies a view of their being sub human. You For whatever supposed medicority you feel towards their civilizations, etc. you give the rest of Europe a pass. But behave bigoted when the subject is blacks. On the subject of Britain and civilization you'd been tying Britain in particular to [b]Israel[/b]. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: [qb] ''what are the similarities between British Israelism and BHI'' ==== By BHI i presume you mean the 'Black Hebrew Israelites', who are a bunch of lunatics with a membership of about 500. In contrast British Israelism during its heyday had millions of supporters and many academics or scholars, as well as prestige patrons even including members of the British monarchy. British Israelism is also multi-denominational and has members or proponents from Baptist, Calvinist, Methodist, Anglican etc backgrounds, while the Black Hebrew Israelites in contrast are an idiotic cult, filled with wierdos and cranks. Regarding scripture, British Israelism is theologically and Biblically justified, while in contrast the Black Hebrew Israelites have zero understanding of the scripture and they just twist it whereever they can to demonise whites. - BI has it origins thousands of years ago, or can at least be traced to the early medieval period. Later becomming an established movement in the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries. - BHI in contrast has its origins in american ghettos in the last few years. Basically only dumb black people subscribe to BHI to attack whites. Its pathetic. [/qb][/QUOTE] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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