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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cass/Dead/Krom/Atlantid: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Oshun: No, you did not limit such descriptions strictly to the elite [/QUOTE]My 2011 thread on ancient Greek pigmentation is here- http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=004993;p=1 Everything I posted there contradicts you cherry-picking my comments elsewhere and taking them out of context. Yes, I'm not interested in playing games with you; in the above 6 year old thread I clearly state the average ancient Greek was not white, but a faint light brown or olive skin colour. I've [i]never[/i] classified southern Europeans with northern Europeans in pigmentation, furthermore I wouldn't like to see someone from my own family mix with darker (eye, hair, skin) phenotypes, that includes southern Europeans where these features predominate. So much for your stupidity trying to insinuate I am some sort of "pan-Europeanist". Because you're a pan-Africanist you project your politics onto me, when it doesn't even apply. [QUOTE]This thread was created because you "real tawk" and the other resident white supremacists of the board [URL=http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=009584]hijacked another guy's topic to make it about race[/URL].[/QUOTE]"Real tawk" is black... [IMG]http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smiley_faces/afro1-smiley-face.gif[/IMG] He's just not a self-hating black like you. There are some decent black people on this forum who don't believe in your afrocentric pseudo-science and who also embrace their own local heritage, rather than clinging to a "pan" African ideology and identity. [QUOTE]What they were literally colored is irrelevant because the discussion itself had derailed to talk about where the Egyptians fit racially. Neither blacks nor whites define races by literal colors. Races at best describe the [b]stereotypical[/b] color schemes for people in certain area. Your involvement in the topic was strawmanning to b!tch about Afrocentrists and to make divides on social races about literal pigment instead of Pan regional identity. Afrocentrism nor Pan Africanism divide races by literal pigments. Likewise, "whiteness" is a social name for a pan European identity that works off a stereotype for their appearance. Whiteness also includes people who don't have pink/white skin. Greeks and Italians are not a different race if many of them don't fit the stereotype.[/QUOTE]I did not bring "race" at all into the discussion, this is something you did. At the end of the day, you're still labelling Egyptians as black in pigment to fit your political agenda, when labelling them "light brown" or "medial brown" would be far more accurate and useful. [QUOTE]As it relates to science I said AE gravitate more to Africans, and that I regionalize Africa because there's no consistency in what groups are used in Africa to compare to AE in research. They are meant as stand-ins for an "African" group and sometimes the research will be very open about saying this.[/QUOTE]They don't gravitate more to Africans. And by saying this you're now abandoning clines and adopting a non-arbitrary cluster aka racialist approach, you show no consistency at all - the same for your bogus anti-racist persona. I say the latter because there is extreme racism posted against whites on this forum and you've never criticized it. Right now, in the other forum section whites are called "albino mutants" and "subhumans" etc. :rolleyes: If you are going to pretend to be anti-racist, please try to be consistent. [QUOTE]But the state and culture largely came from Upper Egypt, not Lower Egypt.[/QUOTE]With no/minimal Nubian involvement though. [QUOTE]Lower Egyptians were still culturally assimilated to Upper Egyptians, regardless of whatever levels of mixture they may have eventually developed over time: "Evidence in Lower Egypt consists mainly of settlements with very simple burials, in contrast to Upper Egypt, where cemeteries with elaborate burials are found. The rich grave goods in several major cemeteries in Upper Egypt represent the acquired wealth of higher social strata, and these cemeteries were probably associated with centers of craft production. Trade and exchange of finished goods and luxury materials from the Eastern and Western Deserts and Nubia would have taken place in such centers. In Lower Egypt however, while excavated settlements permit a broader reconstruction of the prehistoric economy, there is little evidence for any great socioeconomic complexity... Archaeological evidence points to the origins of the state which emerged by the 1st Dynasty in Nagada culture of Upper Egypt, where grave types, pottery and artifacts demonstrate an evolution of from from the Predynastic to the 1st Dynasty. This cannot be demonstrated for the material culture of lower Egypt, which was eventually displaced by that originating in Upper Egypt." --K. Bard (2005). Encyclopaedia of the Archaeology of Ancient Egypt. 28 [/QUOTE]Yes, but the Faiyum A culture from where Neolithic spread into Egypt was in lower Egypt. All this though is off-topic. The only people who can claim close connection to ancient Egyptians are modern Egyptians, followed to a lesser extent by the neighbouring peoples, north and south. You though are trying to connect far more distant southern populations including western sub-Saharan Africans (!) "negroids" to Egypt. This is what I was criticizing and always have done since posting here. Like I said, I have no problem with other posters here just saying ancient Egyptians = modern Egyptians and northern Sudanese. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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