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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cass/Dead/Krom/Atlantid: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by beyoku: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Cass/Dead/Krom/Atlantid: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by beyoku: [qb] @Cass/Dead/Krom/Atlantid Not sure where you being up Neanderthal. You are still not wxomaint how your can decipher the genetic history of a population without using ancient DNA. YES, IBD does matter BUT Egyptians haveiltiole lines or ancestry from MOBILE nomadic populations that come from multiple places. Furthermore go ahead and look at ancient European DNA to see how close in proximity very divergent populations lived. [/qb][/QUOTE]I've not much looked at the Neolithic European period. But let's look at Upper Paleolithic, a "modern" UP specimen (Oase) is estimated to be 7.5% Neanderthal- "We find that on the order of 6–9% of the genome of the Oase individual is derived from Neanderthals." http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v524/n7564/full/nature14558.html This doesn't contradict an long-term Pleistocene IBD model, but it is problematic for OOA that posits no to negligible admixture. Up to 9% is not negligible, especially not when you take into account the small population size(s) in Europe at that time. [/qb][/QUOTE]Again you are talking up a genetic argument but you are not familiar with African or even your own European genetic ancestors. Ancient Egypt was known to be settled by nomadic groups in the past. You cannot talk about the genetic affinity of Egyptians without known the genetic affinity of their parent groups. If you take a look at your ancient European ancestors they have far flung ancestry that amalgamated over time into what They are today. Europeans (like ancient Egyptian) are not a core population but a composite one. Egypt lays at the crossroads of different types of ancestry leading in and out of Africa. If you are still hard stuck on IBD please comment on the Autosomal STR data that DOES exist. Or the uniparental data that DOES exist. [/qb][/QUOTE]Like I said, not much looked at Neolithic. But if you study the genomes of Upper Palaeolithic you will find a core ancestral population, not a composite (although of course I don't argue for complete genetic isolation, there was recurrent gene flow, albeit restricted/small scale). Nonsense about "three lineages" being widespread in UP Europe debunked- "A previous genetic analysis of early modern humans in Europe using data from the ~37,000-year-old Kostenki14 suggested that the population to which Kostenki14 belonged harboured within it the three major lineages that exist in mixed form in Europe today a lineage related to all later pre-Neolithic Europeans, (2) a ‘Basal Eurasian’ lineage that split from the ancestors of Europeans and east Asians before they separated from each other; and (3) a lineage related to the ~24,000-year-old Mal’ta1 from Siberia. [b]With our more extensive sampling of Ice Age Europe, we find no support for this[/b]." continued [I won't get into the problems with this paper and Oase 1 and Ust-Ishim, but anyway]- "Second, from the time of Kostenki14 about 37,000 years ago until the time of the Villabruna Cluster about 14,000 years ago, [b]all individuals seem to derive from a single ancestral population with no evidence of substantial genetic influx from elsewhere[/b]." - Fu et al. 2016 "The genetic history of Ice Age Europe" When it comes to the Mesolithic and Early Neolithic there was gene flow into Europe from West Asia, however estimates range from 20 - 70% (Pinhasi et al, 2012, see quote below). This is a broad range that is compatible with different hypotheses about how agriculture spread with relatively small numbers of migrants (still consistent with IBD) or moderate to large scale mixture or near population replacement etc. "genetic studies have delivered diverse and often conflicting inferences on the contribution of NE/A farmers to the modern European gene pool. Estimates for this contribution have varied from 20% to 70%." - Pinhasi, Ron, et al. "The genetic history of Europeans." Trends in Genetics 28.10 (2012): 496-505. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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