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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Oshun: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Cass/Dead/Krom/Atlantid: [qb] [QUOTE] So much for your stupidity trying to insinuate I am some sort of "pan-Europeanist". Because you're a pan-Africanist you project your politics onto me, when it doesn't even apply.[/qb] [QUOTE] I sure hope people care to read what you said, at this point they'll have to read and make decisions for themselves. You don't have any proof I'm projecting. I said academically the groups of Africans AE are compared to are wholly inconsistent, even though the data says the AE lean to them. The only central theme connecting them all is being "African." Some researchers will even say that's exactly what they're doing. Do not project what could potentially be a problem within academia onto me because you've been outed. [QUOTE][qb]This thread was created because you "real tawk" and the other resident white supremacists of the board [URL=http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=009584]hijacked another guy's topic to make it about race[/URL].[/QUOTE]"Real tawk" is black... [/qb][/QUOTE][IMG]http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/mj-laughing.gif[/IMG] Now [b]that's[/b] funny! [QUOTE]Originally posted by Real tawk: [qb] Listen, you moron, the people of Egypt today are the descendants of ancient Egypt, not you sub-Africans. [/qb][/QUOTE][/QUOTE]Why speak in a disassociating way. "not [b]you [/b]'Sub Africans'?" Suuuure he's black. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Real tawk: [qb] Blacks have been coddled by White America since the days of slavery that weening them off White American teat has proved challenging, to say the least. [/qb][/QUOTE]No black person would say sh!t like this. Only white supremacists think the indignities of slavery were an indulgence to blacks. Black ancestors were "coddled" by being beaten, raped/buck broke, sold from their family and forced to build an infrastructure they could have no ownership in? Blacks were "coddled" when whites destroyed the American black Wall Street and regularly lynched black business owners to stifle competition? Was it coddling black folks for the South to rely on mass incarceration of blacks to rebuild the destroyed South? a tactic they've relied upon for economic building ever since they were forced to rejoin the Union? Bullsh!t. Finding a black person who talks like that is about as easy as finding a flaming black white supremacist (which is what I would then call him). But it's more likely he's white. White supremacists have been pretending to be black for years. Pics or GTFO. [QUOTE][qb] There are some decent black people on this forum who don't believe in your afrocentric pseudo-science and who also embrace their own local heritage, rather than clinging to a "pan" African ideology and identity.[/qb][/QUOTE]I didn't know "decent" blacks had to be white supremacist @ssholes. I don't "cling" to a Pan African identity either. I was correcting lies and strawman arguments about what Afrocentrics and Pan Africanists believe. I'd also just got done explaining the achievements of SSA and Mande civilizations. I don't need Egypt or Pan Africanism to embrace my heritage. If Real Tawk were genuinely interested in emphasizing appreciation for more local heritage instead of being a white supremacist troll, he'd do more of what I've done and focus his topics and responses more on subjects like West African Mande civilizations, or SSA achievements. Generally his topics and responses read like a white supremacist troll, much like yours. [QUOTE]What they were literally colored is irrelevant because the discussion itself had derailed to talk about where the Egyptians fit racially. Neither blacks nor whites define races by literal colors. Races at best describe the [b]stereotypical[/b] color schemes for people in certain area. Your involvement in the topic was strawmanning to b!tch about Afrocentrists and to make divides on social races about literal pigment instead of Pan regional identity. Afrocentrism nor Pan Africanism divide races by literal pigments. Likewise, "whiteness" is a social name for a pan European identity that works off a stereotype for their appearance. Whiteness also includes people who don't have pink/white skin. Greeks and Italians are not a different race if many of them don't fit the stereotype.[/QUOTE]I did not bring "race" at all into the discussion, this is something you did. [/QUOTE]Nope! [QUOTE]Originally posted by JoshuaConnerMoon: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Oshun: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Real tawk: [qb] don't kid yourself. people are not even putting effort into debating Afrocentrists these days. You are more of an amusement.[/qb][/QUOTE]Why would Afrocentrics be an "amusement" if the world has "marched on?" You soundin like a girl who says to the homegirls she over her man, but when he roll through she jump out her seat. You [b]can't[/b] put effort into a debate because [b]the research does not support you.[/b]Your thirsty @$$ is still in here derailing a thread to prove some faded picture murals are evidence of Ancient Egyptians not being African because [b]it's the best you guys can do.[/b] This thread wasn't even really discussing race but you're so over it, you're going to inject race into the conversation. :rolleyes: [QUOTE][qb] The fact is no one in mainstream academia takes you people seriously. We know your pseudohistorical claims are borne out of social trauma. [/qb][/QUOTE]And no one should take you seriously. I'm embarassed to have to say you type like an overseas American caricature. you do not think scientifically at all and are lazy. First, bandwagon fallacies are not scientific. The legitimacy of an idea lies not within knowing many people believe something, but the support that is the foundation for that consensus. Blacks especially should NEVER trust anything without reviewing the research. Discarded scientific theories of today were widely believed years ago (often to their detriment). Having said that, mainstream research is increasingly corroborating an indigenous foundation for Egypt, and that it was a characteristically African civilization. Make a new thread to contest the research, we'll be waiting. ;) [/qb][/QUOTE]The "debate" moved on from 5+ years ago. Very few people on internet forums now argue there was large scale migration into Neolithic/Early Dynastic Egypt from West Asia. Most Afrocentrists have also modified their position to realise the Egyptians were Saharan [North] Africans, not Sub-Saharan Africans. My only issue with the latter is that they still call Saharan Africans "black"; the average skin colour of northern Saharan peoples, including modern Egyptians, is too light to be labelled black and living Egyptians do not consider themselves to be black either. [/qb][/QUOTE]Afrocentrics don't define who can be called black by whether or not you have literal black or dark brown skin. That has been a position they've held long before many of them knew what Egypt was. Even a red Igbo was considered black. They didn't just make that up when they learned of Egypt. Afrocentrics and Pan Africanists use "black" as a sociopolitical term which can extend to people that have lighter shades. To most Pan Africanists and Afrocentrics, if it was indigenous African, it was black. Black, African and/or biologically SSA are generally synonymous. [QUOTE] [QUOTE][qb]As it relates to science I said AE gravitate more to Africans, and that I regionalize Africa because there's no consistency in what groups are used in Africa to compare to AE in research. They are meant as stand-ins for an "African" group and sometimes the research will be very open about saying this.[/QUOTE]They don't gravitate more to Africans. And by saying this you're now abandoning clines and adopting a non-arbitrary cluster aka racialist approach,[/qb] [/QUOTE]This again? Okay. [QUOTE]Originally posted by JoshuaConnerMoon: [qb] [QUOTE] "geographical" is meaningless if you're saying it's wrong to lump people in by region. To refer to regions is to make arbitrary "clusters." I'll even go as far as to say you don't have to discuss a specific ethnic group anymore because that's clustering too.[/QUOTE]Yes, which is unavoidable. [/QUOTE][IMG]http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/2376523/you-are-an-idiot-o.gif[/IMG] [QUOTE][qb] you show no consistency at all - the same for your bogus anti-racist persona. I say the latter because there is extreme racism posted against whites on this forum and you've never criticized it. [/qb][/QUOTE]I've defended people who are targeted for defending what they feel to be an infringement on their heritage, or even offer links and cordial conversation that would support the opinions that particular instances that racism against whites exists, even if it's not heavily institutionalized like the racism towards blacks. These trolls also say a lot of disparaging things about blacks and I ignore the offensive comments they make then too for the same reasons your own people ignore it. [b]2 reasons I don't interact with them, but will from time to time engage white supremacists:[/b] The first is that I won't be a mule or mammy out of for whites who've collectively made it clear they give no fvcks about the racist trolls on this site. I don't even normally engage these people when they are racist against my own race and/or mulattoes (more on that in my second point). Black people always expected to get up and start the movement of getting mad and fighting tirelessly for others' issues even when they generally seem unbothered or unfazed by what's going on. This is precisely why MIA got dragged for asking why Beyonce didn't do a Muslim Lives Matter movement (tho blacks could be Muslim). Blacks eventually became infuriated b/c that's a movement for y'all to start and for blacks to participate in. We're out here fighting our own battles, exhausted from our own long days and suffer more poverty than other groups. Your ppl are not entitled to what little energy, time, outrage and so on we have after we deal w/ our own problems each day, Definitely not to go cape on sh!t I ain't seen your people give enough fvcks for they d@mn self. What kinda buck dancing sh!t is that? Your people know of this site. Some will listen to what's new about science but the [b]trolls[/b] are a nuisance that is generally ignored. And why are they? WELL now for my second point. To the best of my knowledge these individual black racist trolls are not creating black supremacy movements online that have evolved over the years to organize laws, and legal policy. The white supremacist/radicalization movement on the other hand has been developing in this country/around the world for years. It started (and continues) [b]online[/b] and threatens the very fabric of the country's democracy in real life. Because of what your sh!t has done over the years, non-racists are more likely to respond to you b/c they they know you @ssholes are not just trying to be mean online. You're trying to recruit and radicalize people so that they can turn the hate you helped create into public policy. Black trolls go back to working 9 to 5 for non racist blacks, sellout blacks, or non blacks. What have they organized to institutionally do? They ain't doing sh!t. When I ignore them, even when their trolling is directed to[b]my own people[/b] the world will continue to be as it was. Quit playing like you somehow don't know there's a difference. Your white supremacist sh!t is moving to affect official public policies, which angers people on an entirely different level and gives you attention many of us (Black and white) won't give the black racist trolls. [QUOTE][qb] If you are going to pretend to be anti-racist, please try to be consistent. [/qb][/QUOTE]Dumb@ss black racist troll that's contented to live and depend on the very people he hates < white supremacist movement radicalizing people online and is serious for pushing laws that will take people's rights. Even knowing this I try to ignore the white supremacists too, but sometimes I'll feel annoyed enough to respond. I sometimes want to turn the annoyance of seeing a white supremacist radicalization effort and make it into a funner experience of dismantling white supremacy. You guys don't just leave your stupid little ideas online. You're using the internet to [b]affect[/b] the real world. [QUOTE][qb]You though are trying to connect far more distant southern populations including western sub-Saharan Africans (!) "negroids" to Egypt.[/qb][/QUOTE]I'm not going to repeat the fact researchers make African or SSA "clusters" anymore. And AGAIN with the "sub-Saharan" sh!t. If the Sahara hadn't fully returned until a few centuries before (if not a few centuries after) dynastic Egypt, and they had access to SSA via the Nile where was the "genetic isolation" to make the distinction between Sub Saharan Africa? Africans that didn't live in the Sahara had access to the peoples that made dynastic Egypt for many thousands of years. The whole idea of making a "Sub Saharan" and "Saharan" category was because Sahara is a genetic barrier in the minds of many thinkers. Or for other thinkers, much of the Arab back migrations settled northward. [IMG]http://newsrescue.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/rameses3dnaresults.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y421/amunratheultimate2/Misc2/Ancient%20DNA%20of%20Kushites%20from%20Genetic%20Patterns%20Hassan%20dissertation_zpsrxznegab.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i1079.photobucket.com/albums/w513/Amunratheultimate/Misc/Ancestry-GeneticAnalysisofAncientEgyptiansKemetmummiesDNA-TopMLIMatchLikelihoodIndexscoresforAmarnamummiesbasedontheworldregions-1.jpg[/IMG] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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