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[QUOTE]Originally posted by sudaniya: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Candice Lynn Potter: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by sudaniya: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Cass/Dead/Krom/Atlantid: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by sudaniya: [qb] I'm completely calm, mate. In fact, this is akin to watching videos of stupid people just acting out and receiving immediate karma. The concept of "Middle Egypt" is a 19th Century administrative invention. The people of Faiyum were Upper Egyptians and were intimated with the rest of their peope in Upper Egypt, so your pathetic attempt to assign them to Lower Egypt in order to prop up the significance of the latter is just a complete fail. Upper Egypt was larger, more populated, wealthier, more sophisticated and far more significant than Lower Egypt, and there is simply no way of circumventing this fact. This further demonstrates just how dominant Upper Egypt was; it's remarkable that the people of Upper Egypt occupied such a large territory. Upper Egyptians were tropically adapted; created ancient Egypt; were undoubtedly the demographic majority, and since they resemble their kin - other Northeast African blacks, you lose. :p :D Your context and the manner in which you employ it, is irrelevant. Question to forum: Should I go by the administrative units established by my ancestors or should I subscribe to the subjective whims of some insignificant salty European on the net? Hmmm, decisions, decisions, decisions... get real, mate - nobody cares about your context. [/qb][/QUOTE]lol lol. Do you really expect people to think you're an Egyptian, Nubian, Beja, Sudanese Arab or whatever you claim? Location: Australia and most likely you're African-American. All posters on this forum (including a former mod called Ausar) who claimed to be Egyptian/Nubian/Sudanese Arab turned out to be impersonating one. And here's my question to you, if Upper Egyptians are blacks, why did Arabs only give the name bilād as-sūdān (بلاد السودان), or "the lands of the Blacks", to Sudan and not (Upper) Egypt? [/qb][/QUOTE]Oh, man, you got me. :D This is the first time I'm being accused of being non-Sudanese. It's usually Eurocentrics that pretend to be aggrieved Egyptians all over the net. Abaza was one such character. Based on the little I've come to expect from you, I'm really surprised that you didn't make a mess of the Arabic citation. Your refusal to accept facts that debunk your long cherished beliefs really is irrelevant. I'm not here to sway you one way or the other; my intention is to make use of your stupidity and instransigence -- to use it as proxy in order to debunk certain misconceptions and myths. Sudan -North and South- is comprised of more than just the few groups you seem to be aware of. I truly believed in the New Sudan vision and so I identify as Sudanese first and foremost. I have ancestry from both sides of the Greater Sudan border... ..Which brings me to my next point. The Arab geographers did not include our brothers in the South as part of Bilad as-Sudan, even though they stumbled upon them as early as the 15th Century, so are we to assume that the Dinka, Nuer, Chollo, Anyuak, Burun, Maban, Oduk and others are not black? The British differed with the Arabs on this and actually used the term in reference to Southern Egypt and Sudan. :D One could also question why regions like Lower "Nubia", the Siwa Oasis and Egypt's Southeast red sea coast were not included by the Arab geographers. Were Lower "Nubians", Siwa and Beja not black at that point? :p The Arab geographers primarily used this term in reference to black *countries* they came across in the Medieval period. The Arabs already had a name for Egypt, so why on earth would they create a new term for multiple non-contiguous regions in Egypt where even large groups of Western-Asia Arabs and Turks had already settled in? The indigenous people of the Siwa oasis in Northern Egypt are black as are the indigenous people of Luxor, Esna, Aswan, Edfu, Kom Ombo in the South and the people of the red sea coast. I thought this could not get anymore amusing but you've truly outdone yourself in retardation. You now realise that Lower Egypt really was not all that significant and that the tropically adapted black Upper Egyptians were so preponderant that you now want to claim them. Good luck with that... the science is against you and we do have the living and breathing people of Upper Egypt. A moron in a forum certainly isn't going to overturn genetics, bio-anthropological data and archaeological evidence. Good luck indeed. [/qb][/QUOTE]The Arab geography for "land of the blacks" is virtually identical to the ancient Greek usage of Aethiops: those populations below the tropic of cancer i.e. northern Libyans/berbers were not aethiops - only th southern interior nomadic tribes were; in Herodotus the Garamantians are not black/aethiops but hunted the black/aethiops tribes below them. For the same reason Egyptians were not Aethiops/blacks because they have lighter brown pigmentation. The tropic of cancer was the yardstick of black, consistent in several ancient and medieval cultures. [/qb][/QUOTE]It's remarkable how everything just completely goes over your head. Is the Arab geography really virtually identical to the Greek usage of Aethiopia? I hope you realise that Aethiopia was first used on areas in the Levant - areas in modern Palestine. Do you mean to assert that the people of the Levant were darker than the ancient Egyptians... indigenous Northeast Africans of the same stock as North Sudanese, Somalis, Ethiopians, Eritreans and so on? That's an interesting claim that I look forward to you addressing. This entire thread has been an entertaining waste of time. You have already conceded that the ancient Egyptians were indigenous Northeast Africans of the same stock as North Sudanese and *Sub-Saharan* Somalia, Ethiopia, Eritre and Djibouti. The ancient Egyptians (and their modern descendants in Upper Egypt) are virtually indistinguishable from other Northeast Africans, despite the demographic damage that has been inflicted by waves of invasions from "Eurasia". Africans are all varying shades of brown -- gradients of brown that are almost universally regarded as 'black, and the ancient Egyptians were well within the range of 'black' of other Northeast African blacks. Most people understand that virtually no populations are literally 'black' or literally 'white'. The Northeast African stock of blacks (of which AE is one of many) don't need to have the same skin as the Dinka and Nuer to be called 'black'. Are the San black in your wacky estimation? I assume that you consider North Sudanese, Somalis, Ethiopians, Eritreans and so on to be blacks. Ancient Egypt was a Sudanese transplant and cannot be divorced from its family group using the objective disciplines. Genetics, bio-anthropology, archaeology, skin reflectance analysis, melanin dosage tests and culture (material and otherwise) indisputably places ancient Egypt into the group of other Northeast African blacks. This is not disputed by any of the disciplines. You admittedly harbour animus toward blacks, and so your aversion to the usage of black on AE is merely an emotional response- a derivative of your discomfort to acknowledging that the world's first advanced civilization was created by the objects of your hatred. You arrived at your position via emotion - not science. Northeast Africans and West Africans have a common origin in the once wet Sahara, and so divorcing them is impossible, especially when objective sciences are employed. Ancient Egyptian is linguistically closest to Chadic... language group that spans from Chad to Nigeria. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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