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[QUOTE]Originally posted by sudaniya: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Cass/: [qb] There's no evidence Nilotes, or specifically Dinka trace their ethno-genesis to Gezira/central Sudan. If you actually read the only scholarly source you posted (Robert O. Collins, Cambridge University Press) what he says is that there is Nilotic tradition(s) of this: "according to their traditions of migration". For example, medieval English (my ancestors) claimed descent from Trojans - should we take them serious? :rolleyes: Obviously traditions must be taken with a pinch of salt (not to deny [i]some[/i] might hold a kernel of historical truth, but this only works when the tradition in question is backed by archaeology etc., there is none for this Dinka-Gezira homeland story). Searching those sources you posted, shows some loon (probably you) spamming the same material on political websites. http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?article57946 This stuff is Afrocentrist pseudo-history. [/qb][/QUOTE]Here's the entirety of the paragraph on the migrations of the Nilotic tribes from the Gezira: [QUOTE]The Eastern Nilotes of Sudan, who also speak Eastern Sudanic languages, include a variety of modest-sized ethnic groups who number in the thousands rather than the hundreds of thousands -- the Bari, Fajulu, Kakwa, settled farmers, and the Mandari, Taposa, and Turkana, cattled herdsmen. The homeland of these African Nilotic Sudanese was at one time in Central Sudan, specifically in the Gezira, and the last of them to leave, according to their traditions of migration, were the Dinka (in their own language the Jiang of Moinjiang) some time in the fifteenth century who pushed the Luo, who had gone before them, further into southern Sudan. (A History of Modern Sudan, Robert O. Collins) [/QUOTE] [QUOTE][b]Throughout the first millenium CE the fertile Gezira was the homeland to several other Nilotic groups as well. At some time, probably after the turn of the millenium, Luo speakers gradually made their way southward from the Gezira[/b] into the southern Sudan in the vicinity of Rumbek, a contemporary administrative center in the Bahr al-Ghazal, from which they began their further migrations, reaching as far as East Africa in the sixteenth century. Their wanderings were in all likelihood related to the expasion of cattle keeping in the Upper Nile valley, as well as the growth of the population and the expanding militarism of their northern neighbors. (A History of Modern Sudan, Robert O. Collins) [b]In about the fifteenth century, another Nilotic group, the ancestral relatives of the modern Dinka, began to follow the Luo southward.[/b] They were driven out by devastating droughts and slave raiding by nomad Arabs whose infiltration into the Nile valley from Upper Egypt brought about the collapse of the Christian kingdom of Alwa. Their passage south was characterized by constant conflict with their predecessors or the indigenous peoples -- the Funj, Shilluk, Murle, Luel, and even the Luo -- for land to graze and cultivate before they ultimately consolidated their presence in the Upper Nile and Bahr al-Ghazal of the southern Sudan between the sixteenth and eighteenth centuries. ( A History of Sub-Saharan Africa, Robert O. Collins) [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Between the fourteenth and seventeenth centuries the Upper Nile Basin experience several severe droughts, culminating in the long drought from 1587 to 1652, known among the Luo as Nyarubanga, the Great Famine, which coincided with their migrations -- undoubtedly in their search of well-watered pastures for their cattle. The Sanga and Zebu humpbacked cattle that are stronger, capable of traveling longer distances, and are more disease resistant than the humpless cattle of the Luo had yet to be introduced into the southern Sudan [b]by the Dinka migrating from the Gezira[/b]. ( A History of Sub-Saharan Africa, Robert O. Collins) [/QUOTE]You really are autistic, aren't you? Read the paragraph, again. Slowly, this time. In the first passage, Collins clearly affirms that the Gezira was the homeland of the Nilotic tribes; there are in fact half a dozen Nilotic tribes that still reside there to this day. Collins only mentions Dinka traditions of migration in the proceding portion of the paragraph with regards to the sequence of Nilotic migrations. In recognition of just how terribly dense you are... I'll repeat that. It's clear to any mentally healthy, functional human being that only the Dinka's departure from the Gezira (in relation to other Nilotic tribes) is deferred to them -- placed in the hands of their traditions of migration. The Dinka were the very last of the migrating Nilotic tribes to leave the Gezira, and this is re-affirmed not only by their traditions of migration but by contemporary Nubian, Arab and Funj writers. This is annealed further by the accounts of another half a dozen Nilotic tribes. These events transpired in the bright light of history... in the 13th and 15th Centuries. These recent events are corroborated by archaelogical evidence; by Sudanese geographers, historians and writers; by Sudanese tribes; by renowned linguists such as Ehret and by widely respected, authoritative scholars like Robert O. Collins. To equate the multi-discplinary mounds of grit-edged evidence for recent events with the neurotic, desperate lies of your forebears in their attempts to associate themselves with bronze age glories is pathetic and necessarily means you're an idiot. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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