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Ancient Egyptians DNA is Less Sub Saharan than modern Egyptian DNA.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ish Gebor: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by sudaniya: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by beyoku: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by sudaniya: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by beyoku: [qb] ................... I could go on but I wil stop here. [/qb][/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure that most people here know that indigenous Upper Egyptians, "Nubians" in Upper Egypt, the Siwa Oasis Berbers and the Beja on the Red sea coast are not "Sub-Saharan" Africans (SSA) and have their own genetic markers distinct from SSA. These populations (excluding Siwa) are the founding populations of ancient Egypt. Don't these people have the closest genetic affinity to the ancient Egyptians? [/qb][/QUOTE]NO THEY DONT! We just got DNA from "Ancient Egyptians" and from the looks of it they will not be close to these folks. They are close To Copts and Bedouin. That is the point of discussing THESE results............Instead of discussing these results ES is collectively basically saying the same thing it said last year. What separates Siwa, Upper Egyptians, Beja, Nubians and other "Black" populations VS Levantine Bedouin and Copts is all the other groups having an affinity to populations in the Horn and other areas below the Sahara. We can see these SSA signatures in Mtdna and Y-Dna and autosomal studies which we ASSUMED would represent an ancient Sub Stratum the further you go back in time. The collective "Black Egypt" narrative does NOT aruge AE was 100% "Berber Like" so folks need to cut it out. [URL=https://www.pinterest.com/pin/296674694184439386/]Modern Egyptian mtdna is a somewhere around 30%[/URL] [URL=http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=009222]See also here[/URL] IN those other groups its similar or a bit higher. In the ancient Samples its so low some are making inferences that the samples are not of Native Africans at all. [/qb][/QUOTE]Ah, so Bedouins are closer to the ancient Egyptians than the Nubians of Upper Egypt based entirely on samples close to the Levant from the New Kingdom to the Roman period? Interesting. I wonder what samples sourced entirely from Upper Egypt close to North Sudan would say on this matter. I do not assert that the ancient Egyptians were "Sub-Saharan" Africans. I have consistently asserted that the ancient Egyptians were closer to Northeast African populations starting from Upper Egypt down to the Horn. Upper Egypt -as we all know- is where the civilization sprang from. Upper Egypt formed the overwhelming demographic majority for the bulk of ancient Egyptian history, and so any assessment that does not source samples [none] from the most important region of ancient Egypt, is not going to rewrite the narrative on the founding population of ancient Egypt. [/qb][/QUOTE]The next debate is going to be, who were the original Bedouins? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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