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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] Okay, So I finally got caught up reading the pages of this thread that I missed... So here is the gist I got... [QUOTE]Originally posted by Nodnarb: [qb] I do think there is a huge problem of people who ought to know better not realizing that not all biologically African ancestry is going to look stereotypically SSA. One would think the concept of pre-OOA African ancestry would be intuitive to anyone who thought about the ramifications of OOA theory, but instead there's this tendency to assume that all native African ancestry is SSA-affiliated and any ancestry that isn't has to be full-blown OOA. Even the label "Basal Eurasian" implies that simplistic binary (though to be fair, it was first identified in remains that were geographically Eurasian). I would have hoped Pagani et al 2015 would have woken people up to the possibility that there is African ancestry that has a closer affinity to OOA than does other African ancestry. But if the reaction I got from Sarkoboros after commenting on his blog is any indication, there is still a lot of inertia and resistance to such a simple concept. And frankly the pan-Africanists we have here---while indisputably contributing to that resistance---aren't necessarily its loudest voice from what I can see. [/qb][/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [qb] [IMG]https://snag.gy/HKrcON.jpg[/IMG] [URL=http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0074913]source[/URL] Bedouin A (Kuwait 2, presumably) and Bedouin B (Kuwait 3). The large Yoruba-like component in Kuwait 3 doesn't help it score much better than Mediterranean European samples in terms of affinity to Natufians. Kuwait 2, on the other hand, with a lower SSA to North African ratio, scores among the best as far as the available samples. Although you can tell by the high Fst scores that there is a lot of room for improvement (a score of 0,073 is not at all close and implies distance). **BTW, the bright green component here [i]roughly[/i] corresponds to North African. Look how much North African there is in the Middle East today.** So you can see why I'm not fazed by the finding of so called 'Near Eastern' in ancient Egyptian samples. [/qb][/QUOTE]In other words, some folk here make the mistake of stereotyping indigenous Africans into a genetic monolith or type in this case 'Sub-Saharan' which is [i]exactly[/i] what Keita has been warning people against for over a decade now. From the data I've been recieving from this forum for years, I too have come to the conclusion that a good amount of genetic diversity in Africa as a whole much less 'Sub-Sahara' has been lost since the Holocene through founder effect of major population expansions so it should come as no surprise that that modern day people from the 'Great Lakes' region show little autosomal affinity with ancient Egyptians despite whatever paternal clades they may share. Also, I am unsurprised that North Africans in general share some distinction from modern sub-Saharans genetically or that there was major genetic input or influence in Southwest Asians [i]from[/i] North Africans. And lastly, [b]LOL[/b] @ the idiot Englishman Cass whose great hope in this latest study is again dashed-- that the samples come from late period mummies who may very well not even represent indigenous Egyptians! This is the EXACT SAME problem he has with his reliance on the Howells' sample which I've shown [URL=http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=009586;p=13]here[/URL]. Like I said, I won't be holding my breath soon unless we get data from mummies of the older periods of Egyptian history especially from the formative periods and particularly those of Upper Egypt. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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