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[QUOTE]Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova: [QB] Nodarb says: [b]ut the insistence to prove Egypt had NO Eurasians in early times before anyone can say it was African is essentially Eurocentrics setting a bar their own haven't been able to produce. They demand a "true Negro" civilization, but will not produce a monolothic European/West Asian ancient civilization.[/b] Sure, SOME people may have this idea, which I have tangled with before and opposed. They paint themselves into a corner by insisting on some pristine state. But many other folk do NOT subscribe to any such "pure" model, which is why the notion of some sort of "collective ES consciousness" is rather dubious, and talk about "y'all" this and "y'all" that is equally shaky as well. Beyoku says: [b]In the last 10 years of ES Ancient Egyptian Cranial affinities and how they relate to "Africa" has nearly always been how they relate to Sub Saharan Africans not the Maghreb........only a few folks saw AE as its OWN distinct entity. [/b] There you go again with claims about some mystical "ES consciousness." FOr the past ten years there has actually been a lot of debate on the topic- and indeed Keita's 1990s studies on ancient crania in North Africa has been booted about ES ad infinitum. Everyone who has been around knows that Keita related AE to the Maghreb, and did not subscribe to any "pure negro" state based on crania. Some people agreed with Keita. Others were more lukewarm or skeptical. There is no "collective unconscious" on this. As for how AE relates to Africa, sure, that has always been a part of ES, as part of the larger debate against Eurocentric models that seek to downplay or outright deny such relationships. And indeed assorted Eurocentrics from Madilda to Evil E apeared to do battle on such. You yourself have noted the same relationships in your debates against assorted Eurocentrics- the exact same thing you accuse this mystical ES consciousness of doing, And a number of folk have always recognized the link with "North Africa," some using Keita's "Supra-Saharan" format. That is nothing new. As for AE as its own distinct entity? I don;t know any denying it has its unique features, but there have been Euros that want to make AE out to be an anomaly, and divorce it from the locales that laid the foundations. That too is a standard distortion in both academic and popular literature as Keita himself, and numerous other SCHOLARS point out- just like some folks here. Its not just "ES" making any such corrective view against some sort of alien AE, distinct from Africa. Lotsof scholars are involved- Keita, Gatto, Celenko, Morkot, Tyson-Smith 2001. Who says people on ES "deny" AE as a distinctive entity? Where is this mystical "denial"? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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