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[QUOTE]Originally posted by sudaniya: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Cass/: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by sudaniya: You still don't get it, do you? I don't care how much stock you put into a widely discredited hypothesis... one that was entirely divorced from reality and very much politicized. Your grasping at straws; you so desperately want the "Hamitic" *myth* to be true, and so you absurdly contend that merely pushing the timeframe back somehow makes it all the more palatable. You're sucking at the hind tit of a dead cow. [/QUOTE]You missed where I said I don't believe in Hamiticism. Haven't for 4 years. What I though said is if the ancient DNA supports it - I will (re)adopt it. I have a backup at least... As someone else said here: whatever these DNA results, they aren't going to be as much a problem to so called "Eurocentrists" as Afrocentrists. [QUOTE]Upper Egyptians and "Nubians" stem from a common origin and were ethnically virtually identical in the predynastic period.[/QUOTE]You're running away from the fact early Dynastic Egyptians distinguished their skin colour to Nubians both in literature and art. How could both be "black"? [/qb][/QUOTE]If anyone is running away, it's you, mate. This is a map of all the kingdoms of ancient Sudan -- kingdoms that were contemporaries of ancient Egypt. The word "Nubian" is applied to all of them and this is where the confusion arises. There was no kingdom or entity called "Nubia" in ancient times. There were no people (s) called "Nubians". These "Nubians" spoke different languages (belonging to different linguistic groups) and had markedly different physical appearances. The ancient Egyptians specified the various kingdoms and people of the South and used terms like Kush, Setjau, Wawat, Medjay, Irem, Kaau and so on; some of these people exactly resembled the ancient Egyptians while others looked like the pitch-black Dinka or the Nuba of Kordofan. Some of Egypt's Southern neighbours [those to the immediate South] very closely resembled the ancient Egyptians. Those further South did not. "Nubia" is a corruption of the ancient Egyptian word Nubt -- a word for gold. There was a city in Upper Egypt called Nubti, which would have been the original Nubia. Lower "Nubians" and Puntites from Northeast Sudan or Eritrea were identical to the ancient Egyptians and were both distinct from the "Nubians" much further afield. The "Nubians" in Upper Egypt and Northeast Sudan were ethnically the closest people to the ancient Egyptians in or outside Africa. These are the people of Punt (modern day Northeast Sudan or the Horn) and they resemble the ancient Egyptians: [URL=http://s328.photobucket.com/user/takhent/media/Punt2_zps3rva6xzr.jpg.html] [IMG]http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l347/takhent/Punt2_zps3rva6xzr.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [URL=http://s328.photobucket.com/user/takhent/media/Puntites3_zpsrzjbvxy9.jpg.html] [IMG]http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l347/takhent/Puntites3_zpsrzjbvxy9.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [URL=http://s328.photobucket.com/user/takhent/media/punt5_zps9vmqbcwe.jpg.html] [IMG]http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l347/takhent/punt5_zps9vmqbcwe.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Ancient Egyptian soldiers and sailors [IMG]http://www.experience-ancient-egypt.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/ancient-egyptian-soldiers-EAE.jpg[/IMG] [URL=http://s328.photobucket.com/user/takhent/media/08010423_zps4u2kzxp4.jpg.html] [IMG]http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l347/takhent/08010423_zps4u2kzxp4.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [URL=http://s328.photobucket.com/user/takhent/media/egyptian-soldiers-in-the-expedition-to-the-land-of-punt-temple-of-BNP7GX_zps79eectc9.jpg.html] [IMG]http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l347/takhent/egyptian-soldiers-in-the-expedition-to-the-land-of-punt-temple-of-BNP7GX_zps79eectc9.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Upper Egypt has had shared affinities with specific people in 'Nubia' for tens of thousands of years, and this is why specialists understand that 'Nubians' were ethnically the closest people to the ancient Egyptians since the predynastic period. Eurocentrics [ignorant, dishonest cretins] insist on creating an artificial dichotomy between the people of the South and the ancient Egyptians by presenting the pitch-black ancestors of the "Nuba" and the Dinka as the quintessential "Nubians" while ignoring people that so very closely resembled the ancient Egyptians. Here's a picture of a black man from Swaziland standing next to a Hematite mine and his skin tone matches the red ochre that we see used to represent the ancient Egyptians. Contrast him to a Dinka, and what he's not black anymore? [URL=http://s525.photobucket.com/user/kushkemet08/media/lioncavern_zpsmdan3q8w.jpg.html] [IMG]http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc332/kushkemet08/lioncavern_zpsmdan3q8w.jpg[/IMG][/URL] You're trying to pretend that the pitch-black people that were most likely the ancestors of the Dinka and Nuba were the only "Nubians" and that the "Nubians" that were identical to Upper Egyptians did not exist. There is no evidence that Lower "Nubians" were ever distinguished from Upper Egyptians. Diodorus Siculus: "The Ethiopians say that the Egyptians `are one of their colonies, which was led into Egypt by Osiris. They claim that at the beginning of the world Egypt was simply a sea but that the Nile, carrying down vast quantities of loam from Ethiopia in its flood waters, finally filled it in and made it part of the continent." Which is in line with this: "Populations and cultures now found south of the desert roamed far to the north. The culture of Upper Egypt, which became dynastic Egyptian civilization, could fairly be called a Sudanese transplant. "(Egypt and Sub-Saharan Africa: Their Interaction. Encyclopedia of Precolonial Africa, by Joseph O. Vogel, AltaMira Press, Walnut Creek, California (1997), pp. 465-472 ) Pseudo Aristotle: " Those who are too black are cowards, like for instance, the Egyptians and Ethiopians. But those who are excessively white are also cowards as we can see from the example of women, the complexion of courage is between the two." [/QB][/QUOTE]
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