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[QUOTE]Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by beyoku: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by .Charlie Bass.: [qb] I'm speaking for myself and I never make those claims that AE=all or mostly SSA. One can have supra-Saharan ancestry and still be black. The results of this study still don't refute or rule out an African Egypt. [/qb][/QUOTE]Sure and no one credible claims that AEs were mostly SSA at all times, in all places. Who goes about "denying" migration at various levels from the Levant........... Based on the history and application of that construct, AE's would be considered "black" as Mary Lefkowitz herself freely acknowledges, and even Egyptologists like Tyson-Smith 2001, consider the use of the label "black" as reasonable. [IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-DprXzn0HCsU/VMHRJCj9IcI/AAAAAAAABVU/W2LoPVCnUrE/s1600/marylefkowitz_onedrop.jpg [/qb][/QUOTE]Stop lying. You are one of the biggest culprits on the forum! Furthermore we are not debating with the likes of Mary Lefkowitz. This is a prime example of when I talked or ES folks being collectively left in the Dust as far as bio/anthro and how it relates to human populations. You still posting images of Mary......she is no longer the antagonist. You bringing her up is like Trump planning up strategy to destroy imperial Japan and Nazi Germany. Back to you being the culprit. Nearly every one of your soft core image spams talks about the relation of AE to SSA groups via recent South North migration. Not to North Africans......not to them being distinct in their own right. Not too much on substructure. No it equates AE culture/linguistics/bio history with populations below the Sahara. There is nothing WRONG with this......but don't fake like this ain't your whole modus operati. It's on RECORD. DNA tribes spam was about you and nearly everyone else tying AE to SSA groups. The 2 counter theories were from Swenet.....saying the data is not literal and Egyptians and horners contain a lot of these alleles.....about North African affinities in SSA due to pastoralism. And myself which argued the affinity is old and Saharan....then I argued the STR affinity was essentially extinct and the results mean very little. ES et al went batshiit. Did ES argue that those alleles or autosomal components (Great Lakes, Southern African) were North African? Not really. Did ES argue that E1b1a in Ramses III was a North African variant of E-M2.....or that E-M2 itself was North African. Not really. The narrative what strongly in the opposite. Even when I brought up the idea that it could be V-22 folks were going bat shiit crazy. At this point I dont recall any ES member making statements that Dynastic Egyptians.......REGARDLESS of dynasty/region would be LESS SSA and moderns.......folks want to sit back now and be like "that's what I always thought". Man y'all take a polygraph test that shiit would probably explode. [/qb][/QUOTE]Looka here dude, your little strawman games don't work with me. The issue at hand is the bogus argument by Cass as to his "climatic races" and similar claims attempting to distort AEs. I fixed him. Why are you involved, save as you are again trying to "spin" some other argument about alleged "denials" of such and such, just like your fake arguments about the monolithic ES "mindset." And as for Mary Lef, her example and that of other Egyptologists clearly demonstrate why social constructs are still in use, and why they can be reasonable within their terms of reference. She admits it as does Egyptologist Tyson-Smith. Why is that a "problem" for you except that it undermines your continuing effort to denigrate anyone who calls the AE's "black"? These scholars have no problem with the label, within the limits of the construct. Why are you on your continuing campaign to "disavow" what they speak about? As for tying AE to sub-Saharan Africans, you are still trying to spin a bogus strawman as to people claiming that all AEs were subSaharan. It won't work, and your modus operandi is to spin such strawmen, so that you can "position" yourself as one, oh so wise and clever, nobly "refuting" so-called "Afrocentric error." What? This plays well with the white people over at Forum Biodiversity where you hang out? ANd who is going about "denying" AE's have some Eurasian elements? Really? They have BOTH "EUrasian" and SSA elements. I have been saying that for years, and defended that against various "black power" types for years- such as the account that was copying over Anthroscape text to ES so we could "debate" them. Likewise I have warned people here and elsewhere not to go out on an extreme limb with black this and that. Similarly in battles outside ES one of the first orders of business I have undertaken is to debunk any "black everything" claims or strawmen. This is standard procedure. And who is "denying" as you laughably claim - that AE's are not North African or that they are not a distinct culture? Really? Pause.. wait for scent of wafting bullshiit to dissipate.. I have also talked about distinctiveness for years and yes they are North African, but, that does not change the fact that- as Morkot 2005 puts it, (and I have cited him many times): [i]"In sum, ancient Egypt was an African culture, developed by African peoples, who had wide ranging contacts in north Africa and western Asia." (Morkot, Robert (2005) The Egyptians: An Introduction.. p. 10)[/i] I have also quoted Yurco numerous times as to the Nilotic continuty that is AE. [i] "Certainly there was some foreign admixture [in Egypt], but basically a homogeneous African population had lived in the Nile Valley from ancient to modern times... [the] Badarian people, who developed the earliest Predynastic Egyptian culture, already exhibited the mix of North African and Sub-Saharan physical traits that have typified Egyptians ever since (Hassan 1985; Yurco 1989; Trigger 1978; Keita 1990.. et al.,)... The peoples of Egypt, the Sudan, and much of East Africa, Ethiopia and Somalia are now generally regarded as a Nilotic continuity, with widely ranging physical features (complexions light to dark, various hair and craniofacial types) but with powerful common cultural traits, including cattle pastoralist traditions.." [/i] --Frank Yurco, "An Egyptological Review," 1996 -in Mary R. Lefkowitz and Guy MacLean Rogers, Black Athena Revisited, 1996, The University of North Carolina Press, p. 62-100) [/i] So don't come to me with laughable strawmen about alleged "denials" of distinctiveness or being "North African." Really? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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