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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by BlessedbyHorus: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by BlessedbyHorus: [qb] @Swenet I have a question and you most likely can school me again(this is what discussions are for and how we learn?). Wasn't Ancient Egypt heterogeneous? How does the African ancestry in the Natufians act as the prime ancestry for the Ancient Egyptians? I ask because Egyptology 101 says the ancestors of the Ancient Egyptians primarily came from South to North and West to East. I know this has been beaten to death but again many studies over the years have hammered on this. But also we ALL know that Ancient Egypt was a clash of two major genetic/cultural contributions. Sahara or Northeast Africa Nile Valley vs the Fertile Cresent or Levant area. Valley/Eastern Sahara/NE Africa). I personally do not think those who say "we wanna see Upper Egyptian predynastic remains" are "fooling" themselves. [/qb][/QUOTE]I don't think it's self-delusion to wait for predynastic samples. I myself want to see such data. I think it's self-delusion to cross off Abusir from the list of [insert dark skinned population]=SSA and redirect that same fantasy to Upper Egypt. Abusir is not 6% to 15% African. It's much more than that since they're not counting Basal Eurasian. So you're much closer to something hybrid (i.e. 50-50%) than something barely African. So what is the leeway for Upper Egypt to come out AE=SSA in ancestry? As far as AE being heterogeneous. I disagree with that (as you know from prior conversations). Let's just agree to disagree. [/qb][/QUOTE]I think the leeway for those is arguing that AE being heterogeneous in ancestral influence and two major African ancestries accompanying one another(Indigenous Egyptian [b]North African[/b] influence vs Sudanese/East African SSA influence). At least from what I'm seeing. But agree-disagree for now as this study is still fresh. But anyways people should know by now that "black" is NOT exclusive to SSA especially with that Natufian Farmer study and that European one a while ago [/qb][/QUOTE]That 'black' is not exclusive to to SSA is not a pill for me to swallow. You have people here alternating between "black is only skin pigmentation" to talking about "light skin, but with black features". These flip floppers trying to play both sides of the fence have to deal with their own cognitive dissonance. I stopped using the term a long time ago. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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