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[QUOTE]Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [qb] [Dude. Give it a break. You claimed that your knowledge of "superior" science says that the AE were not "Sub Saharan". OK. Then what were they if they were not Sub Saharan? If there is no "non SSA" ancient African lineage you can point out then what would they be but Eurasian back migrants? Otherwise they would be some sort of so-called "sub saharan" based on how science defines mtDNA lineages..... But see how you can't stand up when challenged and resort to diversionary tactics? Come on break down your supreme DNA knowledge on what DNA the AE "should" have had but isn't SSA and not Eurasian. Or to put it another way, if the Sahara was covering most of North Africa and therefore an extreme environment harboring few human populations then there are only two places later populations could come from: South of the Sahara or outside of Africa. What "other" choice is there and if there is one what DNA signature would that group carry (assuming they represent an ancient lineage of Africans that diverged from so-called "sub saharans" en-situ in North Africa separate from Eurasian back migrants). [/qb][/QUOTE]Its up to YOU to figure out what mtdna L lineages have a North African phylogeny. WE have spoke on them before. Its also up to YOU to figure out why the diversity of L lineages shows differences between the North and the South. [b]You are attempting to learn under the guise of arguing and I am not going to assist you with that.[/b] Be humble, if you don't know something just create a thread on it or ask. [/qb][/QUOTE]I don't have to "figure out" anything. You are the one claiming to know something based on "modern science" and I just posted what modern science actually says. There is no "making it up" in this. If you agree with "modern science" then there are no "other" lineages for Africans going back to OOA other than L lineages. You simply don't want to accept that this is the point and that your argument that "Afrocentrics" created this position that in the AE have to be SSA to be African is false. Actually modern science says that. Lets recall that a group of you folks came here raving about how "afrocentrics" were pushing that the AE were from "SSA" as I recall. So in reality what OTHER option is there according to modern science? Either they are "SSA" according to the modern scientific categorization of DNA or they are NON African. But I assume you hit your head and forgot that this was part of the whole point about why folks should be "shook" about this study. As if there was some "other" option other than what was previously stated that only you folks had grasp of. So in reality it shows you have no earthly idea what you are talking about...... Case in point: (where is the Nile Valley OOA branch) [IMG]https://snag.gy/PoZcE1.jpg[/IMG] Oh Here it is, I found it: [IMG]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4460043/bin/pone.0129839.g001.jpg[/IMG] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4460043/ So there, I "figured it out for you" based on modern DNA science. And here is further clarification on the position of modern science: [IMG]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4844272/bin/ebo-suppl.2-2015-057f1.jpg[/IMG] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4844272/ There is no "other" position on human DNA classification according to modern science dude. :rolleyes: Either the AE were "sub saharan" and related to OOA which was "sub saharan" in origin or they were non African. That is the position of modern science (until they are shown incorrect by new data). Period. Which means the argument that there is some other lineages separate from SSA that the AE fell into without being back migrants totally null and void. UNLESS you feel that modern science is flawed which then opens up other possibilities..... [/qb][/QUOTE]Great new references. But how do you account for the possibility that so-called "Eurasian" lineages may have "seeped" into the Nile Valley circa 10kya? Labeling as both Ish and Keita says is a problem. [i]It might be likely that the greater percentage of haplotypes called "Eurasian" are predominantly, although not solely, of indigenous African origin. As a term "Eurasian" is likely misleading, since it suggests a single locale of geographical origins. This is because it can be postulated that differentiation of the L3* haplogroup began before the emigration out of Africa, and that there would be indigenous supra-Saharan/Saharan or Horn-supra-Saharan haplotypes. More work and careful analysis of mtDNA and the archeological data and likely probabilities is needed. Early hunting and gathering paleolithic populations can be modeled as having roamed between northern Africa and Eurasia, leaving an asymmetrical distribution of various derivative variants over a wide region, giving the appearance of Eurasian incursion." [/i] --Keita and Boyde But aside from this, can you see a scenario of "purely" "Eurasian" seepage into the valley? What's the definition of 'Eurasian" anyway? If you are not L0-L4 then you are "Eurasian"? Isn;t this a recast of the "true negro"? A number of scholars argue that gene divergence preceded population divergence (Mishmar 2003, Cordeaux 2003 etc), so that variants, root types or prototypes of so-called "Eurasian" lineages were already established WITHIN Africa before OOA. Hence, can certain lineages be truly called "Eurasian"? This gets back to the labeling issue. But if this is the case, couldn't these proto- variants have left Africa, undergone a bit of subsequent differentiation, and then "backflowed" into the Valley? Couldn't these then serve as a "Third Force"- neither SSA or "Eurasian" but a "transitional" type grouping that defeats your choice of either SSA or Non-African? :) [/QB][/QUOTE]
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