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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by sudaniya: [qb] Doug Oshun has comprehensively answered your ill-fitting Rome appeal and why it is evidently not equivalent or comparable. I'm sorry to say, but you're going around in circles - like a dog chasing its own tail. Your assertions cannot hope to stand against 90 mtdna samples and 3 autosomal samples and the picture they paint for Northern Egypt. Northern Egypt [at that time] was clearly Eurasian - as demonstrated by these 90 samples. Now, it goes without saying that we need samples from Luxor, Aswan, Edfu, Kom Ombo and Esna to get a conclusive and comprehensive picture of ancient Egypt's biological affinities - especially from the early dynastic period. @the rest of the forum At the heels of this regional specific study, some people have already concluded that ethnic black ancient Egyptians did not exist -> that there was no such thing... so I would like to ask them if they believe that the Naqadans and Badarians were Eurasian and not at all intimated with Lower "Nubians" and Northern Sudanese. We know that the Badarians and Naqadans are regarded as representative of dynastic Egyptians, and so I wonder how these results meld with that. People who now accept that ancient Egypt was a Levantine transplant will have to argue that these neolithic and predynastic cultures were actually south Levantine transplants and not African - as we believed earlier. People will have to furnish this Levantine transplant assertion with archaelogical and anthropological evidence. Ancient Egypt was 5000 years old, and so the idea that these regional specific results are representative of all of geographic ancient Egypt from the beginning to the end is incredibly silly. Alt-right groups are pointing to what they see as unsettling demographic shifts within the United States, and the United States is not even three [3] centuries old, so that should give people an opportunity to arrive at a more nuanced conclusion when the demographic changes that occur over thousand of years are duly taken into consideration. I'm not going to now act as though the people in Luxor and Aswan were not the majority in ancient Egypt and that people like Narmer, Thutmose II, Senusret I, Huni, Teti, Pepi II, Akhenaten, Amenhotep II, Queen Tiye and many more never existed... ..Or that black Egyptians (ancient and modern) are just fiction. I will concede when similar results are provided from southern samples. [/qb][/QUOTE]What is it with you two? Why are you responding for him? Why are you two "obsessed" with Levantines in Ancient Egypt? Why should anyone agree with the idea that Levantines "overran" Northern Egypt in 2000 BC? Come off it. There is no proof of it. If you are such a defender of science then you should show me some science that says this. This report in no way and no how "proves" this nonsense. If you defend excellence, logic and facts then show me some. Otherwise save me the pendantic rhetoric. And don't tell me asking for solid proof is asking "for too much". That was my only point. And yes this is absolutely relevant to Rome and all other ancient societies on that point. Evidence of non Roman settlement in Rome over generations doesn't "prove" that parts of Rome was "overrun" by foreigners since ancient times. Same here. The logical fallacy being that somebody claims there were "no foreigners" in Egypt over the course of its history. That extreme is obviously not true and neither is the other extreme, that they were "overrun" with foreigners since 2000 BC. At this point the question will be was there EVER an indigenous Egyptian in AE. Still waiting for that one to be found. So of course there were non Egyptians who assimilated into Egypt but under what circumstances, where and when need to be understood in its proper context. Waves of Levantines just sweeping into the country on their own uncontested makes no sense in any ancient civilization. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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