"The remains of Khnummose (which may have been mummified) were found next to those of a woman who may have been his wife. Some of the other people found in tomb may have been relatives of Khnummose, the researchers said, adding that they planned to conduct DNA analyses of the remains.
"We will try to extract ancient DNA from the [bones] of the bodies in question," said Julia Budka, professor for Egyptian Archaeology and Art History at the Ludwig-Maximilians-University of Munich. "If the [ancient] DNA is preserved, this will help us a lot. Otherwise, it all remains tentative," said Budka, who noted that the samples are already at the Department for Archaeogenetics at the Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History in Jena, Germany."
BlessedbyHorus Member # 22000
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Wow this should be good!!! Thanks for posting. Hope they extract the DNA.
Mansamusa Member # 22474
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Lets hope more mummies are discovered in Northern Sudan. The government there does not seem to care about preventing the rest of the world from finding about the ancestry of Ancient Egypt, compared to modern day Egypt's givernment. More importantly, the mummies may have been Egyptians as oppossed to Nubians. So the results may settle whether or not people are correct about DNA from Southern Egypt would differ significantly from the recently published Abusir mummies.
the questioner Member # 22195
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i wouldn't trust the Germans
it is a shame that Europeans control African history
Oshun Member # 19740
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Well unless you have dna with the type of quantity as this recent one, it's won't be representative but nonetheless I'm curious to see how far this lineages attributed to the Levant affected Nubia by this period.
Fourty2Tribes Member # 21799
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quote:Originally posted by the questioner: i wouldn't trust the Germans
it is a shame that Europeans control African history
Last year I met this German woman who was interested in activism. She was part of a decolonization organization. I pressed her about what her organisation actually does and basically she was decolonizing Germany. They would change street signs that were named after colonial 'heroes' and challenge school curriculum.
No progress towards reparations for genocide.
Tyrannohotep Member # 3735
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quote:Originally posted by Mansamusa: Lets hope more mummies are discovered in Northern Sudan. The government there does not seem to care about preventing the rest of the world from finding about the ancestry of Ancient Egypt, compared to modern day Egypt's givernment. More importantly, the mummies may have been Egyptians as oppossed to Nubians. So the results may settle whether or not people are correct about DNA from Southern Egypt would differ significantly from the recently published Abusir mummies.
We don't know for certain where this individual or his family came from. He could have roots in the Delta for all we know. Though yes, it seems more probably he is either a local Nubian or from Upper Egypt.
That said, while they might sequence his genome for population affinity, the article makes it sound like they're most interested in familial relations between individuals. We will have to wait and see.
BlessedbyHorus Member # 22000
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quote:Originally posted by Tyrannohotep:
quote:Originally posted by Mansamusa: Lets hope more mummies are discovered in Northern Sudan. The government there does not seem to care about preventing the rest of the world from finding about the ancestry of Ancient Egypt, compared to modern day Egypt's givernment. More importantly, the mummies may have been Egyptians as oppossed to Nubians. So the results may settle whether or not people are correct about DNA from Southern Egypt would differ significantly from the recently published Abusir mummies.
We don't know for certain where this individual or his family came from. He could have roots in the Delta for all we know. Though yes, it seems more probably he is either a local Nubian or from Upper Egypt.
That said, while they might sequence his genome for population affinity, the article makes it sound like they're most interested in familial relations between individuals. We will have to wait and see.
Glad you still come around. I'm still focused on making this section better.
the questioner Member # 22195
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quote:Originally posted by Mansamusa: The Germans are working to extract DNA from Nubian mummies who lived around 1200 BC. Nubian Gold Worker at Sai Island
"The remains of Khnummose (which may have been mummified) were found next to those of a woman who may have been his wife. Some of the other people found in tomb may have been relatives of Khnummose, the researchers said, adding that they planned to conduct DNA analyses of the remains.
"We will try to extract ancient DNA from the [bones] of the bodies in question," said Julia Budka, professor for Egyptian Archaeology and Art History at the Ludwig-Maximilians-University of Munich. "If the [ancient] DNA is preserved, this will help us a lot. Otherwise, it all remains tentative," said Budka, who noted that the samples are already at the Department for Archaeogenetics at the Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History in Jena, Germany."
This research is conducted by Germans so don't be surprised if they say Nubians are largely non-African
Clyde Winters Member # 10129
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quote:Originally posted by the questioner:
quote:Originally posted by Mansamusa: The Germans are working to extract DNA from Nubian mummies who lived around 1200 BC. Nubian Gold Worker at Sai Island
"The remains of Khnummose (which may have been mummified) were found next to those of a woman who may have been his wife. Some of the other people found in tomb may have been relatives of Khnummose, the researchers said, adding that they planned to conduct DNA analyses of the remains.
"We will try to extract ancient DNA from the [bones] of the bodies in question," said Julia Budka, professor for Egyptian Archaeology and Art History at the Ludwig-Maximilians-University of Munich. "If the [ancient] DNA is preserved, this will help us a lot. Otherwise, it all remains tentative," said Budka, who noted that the samples are already at the Department for Archaeogenetics at the Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History in Jena, Germany."
This research is conducted by Germans so don't be surprised if they say Nubians are largely non-African
Correct. László Török the leading authority on Kush claims the Kushites were whites.
capra Member # 22737
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quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: Correct. László Török the leading authority on Kush claims the Kushites were whites.
Reference please?
BlessedbyHorus Member # 22000
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Yeah lets get back to discussing the article itself and not being paranoid on whether Germans are out to erase the Africaness of the Nubians(which is insane).
Ish Gebor Member # 18264
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quote:Originally posted by BlessedbyHorus: Yeah lets get back to discussing the article itself and not being paranoid on whether Germans are out to erase the Africaness of the Nubians(which is insane).
It may sound insane, but I do understand people's concern. Especially during this day and time.
Ish Gebor Member # 18264
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quote:Originally posted by capra:
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: Correct. László Török the leading authority on Kush claims the Kushites were whites.
Reference please?
I have heard several Eurocentric individuals make these claims. So yes Clyde is right. Thou I can't be specific about any author.
Ish Gebor Member # 18264
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quote: The Tombs of Amenhotep, Khnummose, and Amenmose at Thebes
Summary:
This book publishes three 'Tombs of the Nobles' on the Theban West Bank in Egypt (nos. 294, 253, 254). The tombs, arranged around a single courtyard, date to the 18th dynasty, between about 1400 and 1300 BC, and belonged to middle to low-ranking officials in the granary and treasury administration of Upper Egypt. The owners, Amenhotep, Knummose, and Amenmose, were wealthy enough to build themselves well decorated tombs with some unusual scenes, such as the 'Granary of Amun' in the tomb of Khnummose and the house in the tomb of Amenmose.
This publication is based on fieldwork carried out by an expedition from the University of Cambridge between 1984 and 1990. The work began as a project to complete work on the tomb of Amenmose initiated by Norman and Nina de Garis Davies, the records of which are stored in the archives of the Griffith Institute. It was subsequently expanded to include the two other tombs in the courtyard and to a full excavation of the underground areas, focussing especially on the later history of the tombs, which is here presented in detail for the first time in a treatment of a comparable group of tombs in the Theban Necropolis.
Elements of the original burial equipment were preserved, allowing it to be compared with other groups of the period. The tomb of Amenhotep was usurped in the 20th dynasty by an official called Roma, who cut a new set of burial chambers and added some paintings. Over the next 500 years, all three tombs were used again and again by later priests and officials who were either unable or unwilling to cut new tombs of their own. Ultimately more than 200 individuals may have been buried in the tombs.
The publication includes specialist reports on ceramics, human, animal, and botanical remains, and bracelets of the Islamic period.
--Strudwick N., Strudwick H.M.
The Tombs of Amenhotep, Khnummose, and Amenmose at Thebes
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On a somewhat related note one publication, used the Fayum genome project that showed some of those folks were close to levantines,they predictably used that to claim Egyptian leadership as white, using imiges from the new mummy flick to make drive home their point.
Brada-Anansi Member # 16371
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On a somewhat related note one publication, used the Fayum genome project that showed some of those folks were close to levantines,they predictably used that to claim Egyptian leadership as white, using imiges from the new mummy flick to make drive home their point.
the lioness, Member # 17353
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quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
László Török the leading authority on Kush claims the Kushites were whites.
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