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[QUOTE]Originally posted by xyyman: [QB] 1. Those haplogroups WILL be found Sporadically in Africa because of the high diversity of Africans. Africans carry the ancestral or upstream of these haplogropus ...whenever they are discovered. Whenever they are discovered Africans carry the ancestral forms. Like in the Abusir mummies. These Euro-Researchers are starting to str8up outright lie now!!!!! Before they would statistically manipulate the data but now they are outright falsifying the data. It is impossible for mtDNA L to exist in the early Neolithic Levant and even extant Levantines and be at such low frequency in the Abusir mommies. MtDNA L is also found in pre-historic Iberia. Don't forget that. THEY ARE LYING!!!! Added the ones they do disclose are closer to Great Lakes Africans. 2. Yes, mtDNA M1 is indigenous!!!!!, Kivilsid et al and a few others. The most diverse form of M1 is found IN Africa. R0 is has highest diversity on BOTH sides of the Red Sea. Sudan and SOUTH Arabian Peninisular-YEMEN (ie the blackest people on the land mast). M1 is found in Nigeria to the Horn and including North Africa. M1 in Europe is downstream!!!! Of Africans'. 3. There is no banding together because these are Africans and the mtDNA L is NOT the ONLY African lineage. Regardless, the researchers are definitely LYING. There CANNOT be such a low frequency of L in Africa even in the Abusir mummies. I am confident of that. Prior data do NOT support that. 4. They cannot use SNP to assign affinity. Autosomal STRs determine geographic affliliations. That is why Berbers are classified as NEGROS in CODIS(FBI) 5. "What do I expect?", The Abusir mummies STR will show they are on the African side of the Tree. Just as when DNATribes opened our eyes to The Amarna STR values. The Abusir mummies STR will not be disclosed!! SNPs are meaningless that is why they play the statistical manipulation games. TreemIx with migration edges will also help. As I said. Lay off the grass! [QUOTE]Originally posted by Elmaestro: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by xyyman: [qb] BS on all 3 counts. You are blowing smoke. I posted these Abusir HG are found as far as Tanzania and they are UPSTREAM clades ...WTF. Why couldn't they Abusir HG come from Great Lake Again? What is your argument? They are still found in Great Lakes region. R0 and M1 is still found in Africa. M1 is found from theShores of the Red Sea to Islands off Nigeria ...WT.... The STR argument IS relevant. Because it shows GEOGRAPHICAL affinity unlike SNP which is really SHARED ancestry. What are you smoking bruh??!! You got some bad weed.! [QUOTE]Originally posted by Elmaestro: [Q] Going back to the previous page, [b]@Xyyman[/b], is it necessary to dismiss one approach when using another? - Those haplogroups found in abusir el meleq couldn't have possibly came from inner Africa, it's impossible... -Sometimes it feel like you forget that their are **haplogroups upstream***, that till this day haven't been found on the continent. **The STR argument kinda irrelevant** as it doesn't directly contradict anything recently discussed. Matterfact, see Tukuler North African thread. [/qb][/QUOTE][/qb][/QUOTE][i]"Your looking at the fact that these down stream clades are found sporadically in ssa and calling them indigenous. But in every area where any of the diverse ASIAN haplogroups are found there are MOSTLY indigenous L lineages and their upstream clades are Absent. [b]Are you telling me that the chosen ones from every ethnic group that didn't carry L lineages joined forces and migrated to Egypt????[/b]"[/i] If you beleive M1 is idigenous fine, whatever.... If you beleive R0 is native to Uganda and tanzania somehow.... Fine too, I'll give you "points." But my main point remains, how are you planning on explaining [b]this.[/b]?? can you even name any SSA region with any of these H.groups present in combination with a low frequency of L. please enlighten, do you believe that Africans banded together and formed the "non-L coalition" before migrating north? lol Matterfact what exactly do you expect to see if we looked at FST and NJT's of the Abusir mummy microsatellites? what pattern will you expect, that'll dispell, corroborate or Straighten out any thing that has been said for the past few months? [b]@Djehuti[/b] Ovals are women, squares are men. the teminal has an example of a male and female offspring... Blue reps the pipeline for Ydna, Grey for MtDNA. Oshuns example is not wrong at all. [/QB][/QUOTE] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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