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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [qb] [IMG]http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/icons/icon14.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/icons/icon14.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/icons/icon14.gif[/IMG] Yes I was alluding to her and also some Natufians with certain features diagnostic of West/Central African ancestry. I've written about this, as you know, and the L2a1 people's influence on the North African ancestors of the Natufians. Those are the only skeletal remains I know of that hint at this terminal Pleistocene L2a1 migration to the eastern Sahara. What I'm interested in is evidence of additional, post-Neolithic, migration of these people to the eastern Sahara. For all the wishful optimism that they represent a large population in early dynastic Egypt, the evidence is very weak, or simply doesn't exist:[/qb][/QUOTE]Well since I first began studying the topic of Egypt's African identity years ago when I was still in high school I did come across several old sources which point out "negroid" crania among predynastic skeletal remains. These sources say although they were a minority (despite claims to the contrary by some Afrocentrics) they were still significant enough a presence to be remarked, with around 30% of predynastic crania in Upper Egypt being classified as "negroid" by honest anthropologists. [QUOTE] [QUOTE]Overall, as predicted by HVSI-I data, [b]most of the L2 lineages entered Eastern Africa between 15 and 7 ka.[/b][/QUOTE] https://www.nature.com/articles/srep12526.pdf [qb] ^Look at that time frame. This is why Natufian aDNA is so damning to Afrocentrists as far as providing an approximation of the West/Central African ancestry in Egypt. Xyyman and other DNA Tribes dupes refuse to address this and act like it doesn't exist. I have posted this paper many times for DNA Tribes-touting ES members to comment on. They never do, for obvious reasons.[/qb][/QUOTE]Which is exactly why I don't even address such dopes let alone take them serious enough to debate. I mean who in the right mind would expect the prehistoric Nile Valley folk let alone Levantine folk to share close affinities to West/Central Africans in the first place?? Acknowledging that the Egyptians and Nubians were black Africans is one thing but as soon as I point out that this doesn't mean that genetically they are close 'kissing cousins' of West Africans do the Afronuts attack me. My hypothesis is simply whatever relations Nile Valley Africans may have with West Africans, whether genetic or especially cultural, it is indirect via the Central Sahara and whatever populations existed there. And judging from the aarchaeological evidence, the Central Sahara during the Holocene wet phase was home to [i]diverse[/i] populations one of which is no doubt the source of mtDNA hg L2a which spread to Egypt and then the Levant. I'm thinking they are probably the source of Benin HBS in the Nile Valley and eastern Mediterranean as well. [QUOTE][qb]North Africa. I especially like Ehret's ideas on where various North African linguistic communities were concentrated over time. Although there may have been refugia in the Horn where some of these people retreated from time to time. What are your thoughts? [/qb][/QUOTE]I too think the morphology is indigenous to at least Northeastern Africa, though what do you make of Terminal Pleistocene remains as far south as Kenya and Tanzania displaying similar morphology such as the Naivasha and Gamble's Cave crania? Do you think there is close relation?? This reminds me of the 'Nature' paper by Hassan et al. published a couple of years ago about how the genetics of African populations is more complex than simply Sub-Sahara vs. North and that modern northeast Africans display a variety of ancestral complexes. Here is the paper: [URL=https://www.nature.com/articles/srep09996]The genetics of East African populations: a Nilo-Saharan component in the African genetic landscape[/URL] I believe you or Thought/Evergreen may have discussed it here or on your blog. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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