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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by the questioner: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [qb] ^^ Actually it is not the same woman. The mural above portrays the goddess Het-her guiding the queen Nefertari wife of Ramesiu II. By the way, the brown paint of Nefertari is faded if you do an images search on Nefertari's tomb you can see images where only traces of the brown coloring is left on her cheeks, neck, hands, and feet. As I explained earlier, certain [i]colors[/i] in Egyptian art are symbolic. The most common type is the yellow color of women. [/qb][/QUOTE]nefertari is dressed like Het-Her Ancient Egyptians dressed like the gods to represent the gods in their tombs Ancient Egyptians did not really believe gods had a human form Ancient Egyptians represent gods the same way people represent the sun [IMG]https://i.pinimg.com/736x/06/e0/29/06e0298b3e32e66367accebcf09d4274--sun-costume-for-kids-astronaut-costume.jpg[/IMG] ^^^ the sun obviously is not human but this child gave the sun a personality to explain its function (the Egyptian gods are similar in this respect) [/qb][/QUOTE][QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [qb] ^ Egyptian royals i.e. kings and queens dressed up as deities as part of rituals of enactment or sympathetic magical cycles. For example, if a king takes the guise of Ausar (Osiris) then his wife takes the guise of Asat (Isis). Usually when this happens the king or queen is not seen with the deity they are supposed to be portraying though in the picture Het-her and Nefertari are not only together but they have different facial features. [/qb][/QUOTE]You are both right of course. The AE did not view their deities as literal "humans". They viewed them as aspects of Nature, in fact there is a lot of good evidence that the word nature derives from "Netjer". You can see this in the writings of the Romans and the Greeks like Cicero: [QUOTE] And yet you were abusing those who, judging from results so magnificent and glorious, when they looked upon the universe itself, and upon its parts, the sky, the lands, and the seas, and upon their ornaments, the sun, the moon, and the stars, and when they marked the maturing of the seasons, and their changes and alternations, conceived the existence of a sublime, exalted power that had created these things, and moved, and controlled, and directed them. Even though they stray from the path of true conjecture, still I can understand what principles they follow; but you—come, what great and notable work, with the appearance of having been produced by divine intelligence, can you point to as a foundation for your belief[63]in the existence of the gods? “I had,” you say, “a kind of preconception of God implanted in my mind.” Yes, and of a bearded Jupiter, and helmeted Minerva, but do you then suppose that they answer to that description? How much better this question is treated by the ignorant multitude, who not only assign human limbs to God, but a use for those limbs as well, for they provide bow, arrows, spear, shield, trident, and thunderbolt, and if their vision does not extend to the actions of the gods, at any rate they cannot conceive of God as inactive. Even the much ridiculed Egyptians never deified an animal except with reference to some benefit which they derived from it. For instance, the ibis, being a tall bird, with legs that do not bend, and a long beak of horn, destroys a vast number of serpents; in killing and eating the winged snakes that are brought in by the south-west wind from the Libyan desert, it preserves Egypt from plague, the snakes being thus prevented from causing harm by their bite when living, or by their smell when dead. I could speak of services rendered by the ichneumenon, the crocodile, and the cat, but I do not wish to be lengthy, and will conclude by saying that it was at least in return for benefits that animals were deified by the barbarians, whereas on the part of your gods there not only exists no beneficent action, but not even action of any kind. God has nothing to do, says Epicurus, thinking, we must suppose, like a spoilt child that there is nothing better than idleness. [/QUOTE] http://oll.libertyfund.org/titles/cicero-on-the-nature-of-the-gods The AE were symbolizing the "essence" of nature in their art by trying to portray the many various attributes and philosophical or cosmological concepts associated with those attributes over time in a complex symbolic canon. So literally they saw nature itself as divine in essence and a literal reflection of the divine force in nature. Likewise, the pharaoh when "born again of the gods" upon ascending to the throne, became symbolically a force of nature and living manifestation of Maat and various Netjer or "natural forces" guiding the fate and destiny of the nation. Of course the later Romans and Greeks tried to pretend that they somehow had "superior" understanding of nature even though most of their ideas on divinity and nature come from the same source. Hence the many Roman temples to Isis and Horus in Egypt built during Roman rule which eventually became part of the basis of Jesus and Mary in Christianity.... Both of which symbolizing the nature of femininity in childbirth and the continuation of life through sexual reproduction as part of biological chemistry (alchemy) unions of opposites/souls/essences.... And in many ways some of the symbolism of Egyptian art was basically a textbook on biology and chemistry in a higher form of symbolic language, where the priests embedded many concepts and meanings on multiple layers to be imparted to students of the mdu neter as "gods words", meaning god speaks through nature symbolically. You see this a lot in the Abrahamic religions in the signs, visions and dreams of the prophets (Ezekiel's wheel, the burning bush and so forth). The Mdu Neter emerged from thousands of years of human conscious evolution in Africa, where humans saw nature itself as a powerful force in their lives long before they had language to describe it. As time went on these forces remained a powerful force within the human psyche and it became the easiest way to communicate meaning by invoking symbolic forms of natural objects, which eventually became formalized as Mdu Netjer. That is why Punt is called "Ta Netjer" as the "home of the gods" and origin of human creation as the "force of nature" that created humans through biological and chemical processes. Another aspect of modern religion that borrows from this ancient system is gnosticism. [QUOTE] his is a reflection of the Gnostic concept of the Logos ("Word"). The Logos is the Christos ("Anointed One")- the Divine Spirit of Redemption that existed long before the birth of Jesus. It was with God at the very beginning, and was in fact the very Word with which all was created. (See Genesis I: "And God said...") It is self-created, and is equated with both the Consciousness of God and the consciousness within mankind. The concept descends quite directly from ancient Egyptian views of the God Djehuti (Thoth)- who was Himself the self-created Word of Re. Thoth stood as the redeemer between the human realm and the Divine, often shown in mythology as coming to the rescue of those in need. He was also credited with the creation of all things- as the active creative power of Re. To the later Gnostics, the Christos was a force to which all adepts must aspire. We witness the descent of the Logos into the body of Jesus at his baptism in the Gospel of Mark- and here we see another starkly Egyptian influence: And straightway coming up out of the water, [John] saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon [Jesus]: And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. These lines echo the Egyptian myth of the birth of Osiris, which was accompanied by the Voice of Re from the heavens, proclaiming the birth of His Son and heir. In the Gnostic teaching, Jesus Christ then set out to teach all aspiring adepts how to make their own personal contacts with the Logos. The mysteries of exactly how to do this formed the backbone of Gnostic religion. Unfortunately, space prohibits further discussion here. In the future, I hope to expand upon this overview- explaining the particular religious beliefs and sacred mythos of the Gnostics, the peculiar relationship that existed between their literature and that of the Jewish people, and the Gnostic influence on the rest of Western spirituality. Until then, I wish you LVX. [/QUOTE] http://gnosticcross.tripod.com/archive/2001_08_5gnosticorigins.html The main part of Gnosticism coming from Egypt being the able to "see" the works of god and experiencing the divine through contemplating the "nature of" nature/the universe (supernatural/cause of causes/cosmology/philosophy/esoteric/cognitive science/meditation/inner contemplation). [/QB][/QUOTE]
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