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[QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: Nature is the essence or manifestation of gods will [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: What is meant is not that Air blowing is god or rain falling, what it means is that the CONCEPT of air and the CONCEPT of water as building blocks of the universe and the chemical reactions within nature all come from a higher power or creative force that put everything in motion and in reality EVERYTHING is gods essence including human nature. [/QUOTE]These are contradictory statements. Saying nature is the essence or manifestation of gods will means that rain, earthquakes, sunshine, wind are willed by an intelligent being called god. So it is a contradiction to then say ntr is a "CONCEPT" Having a concept of wind is not the same as controlling the wind [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: Mdu Ntr means the word of god or "gods essence" or "gods creation" which = nature. All of the various deities in AE are called Ntru or "forces of nature" or "emanations of the divine". What is meant is not that Air blowing is god or rain falling, what it means is that the CONCEPT of air and the CONCEPT of water as building blocks of the universe and the chemical reactions within nature all come from a higher power or creative force that put everything in motion and in reality EVERYTHING is gods essence including human nature. The Neteru are simply the "children" of the ultimate creative force as manifestations in the physical universe of the ultimate creative and organizing principle behind all physical existence. Nature is the essence or manifestation of gods will. Egyptian art and Mdu Ntr are a symbolic form of "gods essence" or "nature" where they try and convey this understanding of nature = manifestation of gods will. Likewise, the Pharaoh upon being crowned became "born of the gods" and hence the living representative of the god or "divine" or 'deity' or divine forces in the flesh as a ntr and living representative of Maat. This is the origin of the immaculate conception in Christianity. There are numerous references to this in various books of Egyptologists. [URL=https://books.google.com/books?id=IlNsbYhGhHsC&pg=PA51&lpg=PA51&dq=ntr+gardiner&source=bl&ots=XEgamdLzPC&sig=-SRzrxPJ3Y4aaxRlsnJCGj0wpyE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwilsND89o3WAhVGPiYKHT24ARQQ6AEIMzAB#v=onepage&q=ntr%20gardiner&f=false]https://books.google.com/books?id=IlNsbYhGhHsC&pg=PA51&lpg=PA51&dq=ntr+gardiner&source=bl&ots=XEgamdLzPC&sig=-SRzrxPJ3Y4aaxRlsnJCGj0wpyE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwilsND89o3WAhVGPiYKHT2 4ARQQ6AEIMzAB#v=onepage&q=ntr%20gardiner&f=false[/URL] [IMG]https://i.imgbox.com/lRnd4NS3.png[/IMG] The Writing of Gods: The Evolution of Divine Classifiers in the Old Kingdom By Racheli Shalomi-Hen [/QUOTE]Your reference does not support your statement. The reference says ntr means king or dead king "great god" and goes on to mention king Khafre, Menkaure and other kings and also may refer to Osiris. It does not talk about nature and I have read several pages more [/QB][/QUOTE]
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