quote:The most complete extinct-ape skull ever found reveals what the last common ancestor of all living apes and humans might have looked like, according to a new study.
The 13-million-year-old infant skull, which its discoverers nicknamed "Alesi," was unearthed in Kenya in 2014. It likely belonged to a fruit-eating, slow-climbing primate that resembled a baby gibbon, the researchers said.
This is believed to be an ancestor of African apes such as humans, chimps, and gorillas, and is probably evidence that (contra what people said with Graecopithecus) that the ape ancestors of humans probably emerged in Africa.
DD'eDeN Member # 21966
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It is NOT contra to Graecopithecus, both lived along the Anatolia-African Rift Valley, a highway-flyway of migrations that opened sometimes and closed at other times (but often had a South Indian coast detour).
It was never about being limited to a single continent, Africa-EurAsia-India conjoined producing new topography and routes, then Panama closure changed ocean currents, then ice ages changed things again.
13ma short-armed upright biped arboreal gibbon, a lesser ape, had short snout so orthograde posture not pronograde (like a dog). Europe also had gibbons, one fossil in Germany.
Elite Diasporan Member # 22000
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Will take a look.
Djehuti Member # 6698
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quote:Originally posted by Tyrannohotep: This is believed to be an ancestor of African apes such as humans, chimps, and gorillas, and is probably evidence that (contra what people said with Graecopithecus) that the ape ancestors of humans probably emerged in Africa.
Which is probably why there is no noise about this finding in all the major and alternative media outlets the way there was about Graecopithecus.
This is why we or people we connect to should make an effort to go around these biased Euronut controlled newsgatherers and spread the news ourselves.
Elite Diasporan Member # 22000
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:Originally posted by Tyrannohotep: This is believed to be an ancestor of African apes such as humans, chimps, and gorillas, and is probably evidence that (contra what people said with Graecopithecus) that the ape ancestors of humans probably emerged in Africa.
Which is probably why there is no noise about this finding in all the major and alternative media outlets the way there was about Graecopithecus.
This is why we or people we connect to should make an effort to go around these biased Euronut controlled newsgatherers and spread the news ourselves.
We need a big guy like Keita to come through and balance things out. We[forum people] I doubt would be enough.
PS-Sent you a PM.
Fourty2Tribes Member # 21799
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I might do a video on the media's reaction to Graecopithecus normally the miseducation of the [redacted] is saddening. When you consider what Graecopithecus was and where it's estimated to be in the hominid family tree, the media's reaction was funny.
Handbook of Paleoanthropology: Vol I:Principles, Methods and Approaches Vol, III 2007
Djehuti Member # 6698
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^ I never said major medias are not reporting this, Lioness. I said there is not as media noise or buzz in both major media and alternative media. Trust me, I notice a difference in the reporting.
the lioness, Member # 17353
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ I never said major medias are not reporting this, Lioness. I said there is not as media noise or buzz in both major media and alternative media. Trust me, I notice a difference in the reporting.
The article on Graecopithecus found in Athens Greece which came out in late May said it could be the oldest known hominin"
That is outside Africa so if it was true it would go against the prevailing theory that humans originate in Africa
This other specimen Nyanzapithecus "Alesi" does not go against the OOA model therefore the story cannot be hyped to the same degree. Graecopithecus is just a jawbone This Nyanzapithecus is a whole skull and it is described as similar to a Gibbon. When you look at the skull with huge eye sockets it's looks far from human. So it's an interesting specimen but when you see it it is hard to relate to.
Ish Gebor Member # 18264
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ I never said major medias are not reporting this, Lioness. I said there is not as media noise or buzz in both major media and alternative media. Trust me, I notice a difference in the reporting.
The article on Graecopithecus found in Athens Greece which came out in late May said it could be the oldest known hominin"
That is outside Africa so if it was true it would go against the prevailing theory that humans originate in Africa
This other specimen Nyanzapithecus "Alesi" does not go against the OOA model therefore the story cannot be hyped to the same degree. Graecopithecus is just a jawbone This Nyanzapithecus is a whole skull and it is described as similar to a Gibbon. When you look at the skull with huge eye sockets it's looks far from human. So it's an interesting specimen but when you see it it is hard to relate to.
Do you exactly know what the OoA model is? smh
Djehuti Member # 6698
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^ LOL
But in response to Lioness, a couple or more years ago there were findings of a mammal primordial simian species found in Europe hailed as evidence that humankind's ancestors originated in Europe even though this animal predates both monkeys and prosimians! Yet that finding got a lot of news buzz and rave reports. Now we find an actual ancestral primate in Africa and not the same fanfare. Face it, there's no denying the Eurocentric bias in science reporting. The same bias that YOU have. LOL
the lioness, Member # 17353
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ LOL
But in response to Lioness, a couple or more years ago there were findings of a mammal primordial simian species found in Europe hailed as evidence that humankind's ancestors originated in Europe even though this animal predates both monkeys and prosimians! Yet that finding got a lot of news buzz and rave reports. Now we find an actual ancestral primate in Africa and not the same fanfare. Face it, there's no denying the Eurocentric bias in science reporting. The same bias that YOU have. LOL
The Europeans say that humans began in Africa so if they found another fossil confirming that it's anything new that makes for a remarkable new item
DD'eDeN Member # 21966
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Djehuti: "But in response to Lioness, a couple or more years ago there were findings of a mammal primordial simian species found in Europe hailed as evidence that humankind's ancestors originated in Europe even though this animal predates both monkeys and prosimians!"
That was "Ida", like a 47ma lemur. That was a stem primate, and it definitely did not originate in Africa, (it had Adapsid kin in Americas 62ma), that lived in trees, probably like a squirrel, around EurAsia.
The German fossil was in unusually good preservation condition, there are many excellent fossils from ancient swamps of Germany, like the oldest bird fossils.
Primates did not originate in Africa, but expanded into Africa via Anatolia-African Rift Valley, just as their descendants (gibbons, macaques, hominins, humans) expanded out of Africa later, in waves depending on climate changes.
13ma "Alesi" in Kenya had large eye sockets, better to see beneath upper canopy of tropical rainforest and crepuscularly (dawn, dusk), Nocturnal Tarsiers, lemurs & owls also have large eye sockets. This may have been significant in brachiating (swinging branch to branch) which apes do but older simians didn't.
7.2ma Graeco in Greece/Bulgaria had fused pre-molar roots, which is found in human lineage (Ardipith, Australopith, Homo = All in Kenya) but not in modern African Apes.
"For several decades, small-bodied anthropoid primates from Africa and Eurasia have not played an important role in this debate, because they generally lack the shared derived features of extant catarrhines (hominoids and Old World monkeys) and are thus considered to precede their divergence. Even some small-bodied catarrhines from Africa (dendropithecids), considered to be stem hominoids by some authors, are viewed as more primitive than the larger-bodied stem ape Proconsul. This has led to the assumption that hylobatids are a dwarfed lineage that evolved from a larger-bodied and more great ape–like common ancestor with hominids (great apes and humans)."
Fourty2Tribes Member # 21799
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: The article on Graecopithecus found in Athens Greece which came out in late May said it could be the oldest known hominin"
That is outside Africa so if it was true it would go against the prevailing theory that humans originate in Africa
That would be cool but that isnt how it was headlined by much of the media
quote:Controversial study suggests earliest humans lived in Europe - not Africa
From CBS.
the lioness, Member # 17353
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quote:Originally posted by Fourty2Tribes:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: The article on Graecopithecus found in Athens Greece which came out in late May said it could be the oldest known hominin"
That is outside Africa so if it was true it would go against the prevailing theory that humans originate in Africa
That would be cool but that isnt how it was headlined by much of the media
quote:Controversial study suggests earliest humans lived in Europe - not Africa
From CBS.
Nyanzapithecus "Alesi"
You are not following the conversation. This thread is about the 13 million year old Nyanzapithecus "Alesi". That is an ancient baby ape resembling a gibbon found in 2014 - not the May 2017 story about Graecopithecus found in Greece (1944)
The Nat Geo headline on Nyanzapithecus "Alesi was:
"Prehistoric Baby Skull Shows What Our Common Ancestor With Apes May Have Looked Like"
Fox news headline:
'Alesi,' the 13-million-year-old baby monkey, could be mankind's earliest ancestor
^^^ That is not controversial because the prevailing European theory is that humankind began in Africa.
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In May there were other articles about a different specimen 7.2 million year old jaw bone of a Graecopithecus found in Greece and a tooth from this same species found in Bulgaria
Newsweek ran this headline:
"First Human Ancestor Came from Europe Not Africa, 7.2 Million-year old fossil indicates"
Telegraph U.K. said
"Europe was the birthplace of mankind, not Africa, scientists find"
That is going against the prevailing European theory that humans began in Africa so if true, would be bigger news because it goes against the prevailing Western theory on human origins, that they stared in Africa.
Ish Gebor Member # 18264
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ LOL
But in response to Lioness, a couple or more years ago there were findings of a mammal primordial simian species found in Europe hailed as evidence that humankind's ancestors originated in Europe even though this animal predates both monkeys and prosimians! Yet that finding got a lot of news buzz and rave reports. Now we find an actual ancestral primate in Africa and not the same fanfare. Face it, there's no denying the Eurocentric bias in science reporting. The same bias that YOU have. LOL
Good the USA is not the only way to get to news-outlets.
CBS headline title given by Editor, not scientist.
Goal: Sell newspaper/advertising. (Google has same goal.)
Paleoanthropologists are always finding "human ancestors", cause "that's where the money is".
Graeco had fused pre-molar roots, it is the oldest hominid anywhere that has these, so until it is found in Africa (very likely) it is accurate to claim SE Europe origin of human lineage. To me, it is an African species that happened to expand NE to Greece during a period when the Rift was open and there was a break between megadroughts. Fossilization is poor in rainforests, better in arid zones with river or rift valleys.
DD'eDeN Member # 21966
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Primates moved into Africa from Anatolia.
Ida - Germany 47ka. not yet in Africa or Anatolia.
Anatolia at 43ma was an island with marsupial (opossum, kangaroo) cat-like carnivores.
But in response to Lioness, a couple or more years ago there were findings of a mammal primordial simian species found in Europe hailed as evidence that humankind's ancestors originated in Europe even though this animal predates both monkeys and prosimians! Yet that finding got a lot of news buzz and rave reports. Now we find an actual ancestral primate in Africa and not the same fanfare. Face it, there's no denying the Eurocentric bias in science reporting. The same bias that YOU have. LOL
Good the USA is not the only way to get to news-outlets.
How did the Kenya media and other African based news outlets cover this story?
Ish Gebor Member # 18264
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ LOL
But in response to Lioness, a couple or more years ago there were findings of a mammal primordial simian species found in Europe hailed as evidence that humankind's ancestors originated in Europe even though this animal predates both monkeys and prosimians! Yet that finding got a lot of news buzz and rave reports. Now we find an actual ancestral primate in Africa and not the same fanfare. Face it, there's no denying the Eurocentric bias in science reporting. The same bias that YOU have. LOL
Good the USA is not the only way to get to news-outlets.
How did the Kenya media and other African based news outlets cover this story?
You are the self proclaimed Kenyan princess here, it suits you best you answer that.
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