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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Clyde Winters: [QB] The history of Aryan people is quite interesting. First lets discuss the history of the Aryan Invasion Theory. The AIT was formulated by the Europeans who read the Rig Veda and recognized that the ancestors of the Indo-Aryan speakers came to India as nomads, attacked Desa cities, and eventually dominated North India. AIT was supported by the fact that many speakers of Dravidian languages remain in North India.Secondaly, we find that the original North Indians from Harappan times down to 1000BC used red-and-black pottery, Around 1000 BC, we see that populations in many North Indian urban areas were replaced by people using Plain Grey Ware. Archaeologists have assumed that the PGW people were probably Indo-Aryan speakers. The PGW people first invaded india around 1200-1000 BC. They made another invasion around 800 BC and we see the red-and- black(BRW) pottery users begin to migrate southward, into centers where the megalithic building Dravidian speakers were also using BRW. Hittites(probably white people) forced the Kushites (Kaska , Mittani-Hurrian) into Iran. The Kushites living in Iran invaded India and founded the Indo-Aryan speakers in 1000BC. In 800 BC, nomadic people from Iran begin the domination of India and the original Indo-Aryan speaking population and mated with the original Dravidian and Munda speaking populations . It wasat this time that the white Iranians began to dominate India. The Persians conquered India and Europe. The Persians exiled Greek (Ionians) into what is now Pakistan. Here the ionians prospered. Alaxander the Great conquered India and more Greeks entered what is now Afghanistan and Pakistan. Soon this region was made up of populations speaking Greek, Indo-Aryan dialects and Dravidian languages. To unite the people a grammarian named Pannini, wrote a grammar of a lingua franca that became Sanskrit. Because Sanskrit included elements of Greek, Indo-Aryan and dravidian languages , Europeans began to develop the idea of the Indo-Europeans. The Indo-Europeans included the Europeans led by the Greeks and the Indo-Aryan speakers of Iran and India. The Europeans and Indo-Aryans are unified via the Sanskrit language. In reality, the European and Indo Aryan languages are not related, except through Sanskrit, which modern European linguist did not know was a lingua franca. [b]Aryan is not a racial term.[/b] [list] [*]--- In Ta_Seti@yahoogroups.com, "ulagankmy" <ulagankmy@y...> wrote: Dear Dr Winters As you are aware, the word 'aariyan' is a Tamil word, an ancient one at that and which has been borrowed by many tribes in deep past. Probably the root is Su. a and Ta. aal, to spread out, powerful, strong etc. [b]Sumerian a-ri-a and Tamil aariyan[/b] The noun aal-al ( >aaRRal) which means strength, capacity and so forth is still in use in Tamil . The following note may help out to destroy the myth that Europeans were the Aryans. Related to this is that the whole of Rig Veda and related literature in Rigkrit is another variant of SumeroTamil. As such it has nothing to do with any "Aryan' family of languages - it is a pure fiction The word "aryan " that has acquired a racial connation has become one of the most important words to divide of Indian into Aryan and Dravidian with vrious antagonisms along racial lines. The growth of 19th century Dravidian movements in Tamil Nadu which has become political in the 20th cent. and the cultural movements to purify Tamil by cleaning it of the so-called Sanskrit terms are related to this. The replacemnt of Tamil as the language of Temple Worship among the tamils however has a different historical basis. It was something introduced by Ramanuja and on philosophical grounds. The Sanskrit literature , under the impact of Sankara became predominantly Advaitic Vedantic and hence was seen as detrimental to the growth of Bakthi and for which reason Ramaunuja installed the recitation of Thruvaymozi in the temples in place of Vedic mantras. One can see the present movement of the Saivites to give the place of honour to Tamil particularly the Thevaram corpus as something like that of Ramanuja, who incidently was a Brahamin and who wrote only in Sanskrit despite being a brilliant Tamil scholar. At the moment and perhaps mainly due to IndoEuropean scholarship the excitment and arrogance with which the Brahmins in Tamil Nadu received this, which is mainly a hypothesis , and who started to call themseves the scions of these Aryans is that which unnderlies the Brahmin-bashing that continues to this day. I have a colletion of litwrature in Tamil towards the end of 19th ,where the Smartha brahmins called themselves Aryans and went on to criticise severely Saiva Sidddhanta and many other philosophies of the Tamils. The Dravidian identity was fostered by Bihop Caldwell with his epoch making "Comparative study of Dravidian Languages" which was well received by the Tamil scholars but vehemently challenged by the Smartha Brahmins. This association of Tamil Brahmins with Aryanism and also Sanskrit along with it, still continues and will continue perhaps for a long time. It is certainly unfortunate for such a hatred for the TERM aryan is NOT to be met with in traditional India where the primary meaning of Aryan as used in Thevaram corpus Kamba Ramayan and so forth and perhaps also as Dhammapada did not have the racial sense at all rather that of "exceptional or brilliant individual" as in Tamil " ariyan' In Sangam classics there are several uses of it . 1. aariyar tuvanRiya peerisai imayam: the famed Himalayas where dwell the Aryas. Here it certainly means a group of people bordering the Himalayas and in sense a generic term for all those who dwelt in the North of India 2. aariyak kuuttu: here it means a noisy kind of dance especially those like walking on ropes to the accopaniment of loud and boisterous music. 3. ariyamum tamizum: This phrase used by Appar and so forth applies to the Languages and here aariyam means certainly Sanskrit. Here we see the beginnings of the use of Aryan and Dravidian (=Tamil) in linguistic terms but without any anatogonistic emotional undertones. For both are recognised as languages founded by Siva. Ariyan as the Brilliant , Resplendent Principle and hence another variant for Siva We see the use of Aryan in this sense in the following verse of Tirumular Tirumantiram 134. puraiyaRRa paalinuL ney kalataaR pool tirai aRra cintaiyil aariyan ceppum uraiyaR RuNarvoor udambing kozitaaR karaiyaRRa cooti kalawthasat taame Meaning BEING emerges but stands as the Unconscious in the mind that becomes unruffled by any earthly desires just like ghee being present invisibly in the pure milk. Those who transcend speech ( by transcending temporality) and LISTEN in DEEP SILENCE to the instructions on Absolute Illumination that BEING-the -Radiant instructs on (through the language of Cin Muttirai) will untie themselves from all attachments to the physical body and becoming FREE from it, plunge into Boundless Radiance and through that also become a Sat, an absolute (just like BEING) Here Ariyan is used as anohter name for Civa, the Immensely Radiant BEING who illuminates all and helps the attainment of genuine freedom through the severances to all the bondages. The use of Aryan in the sense 'divine" that the above suggests is also available in Kampan's description of Rama as "aariya maintan". Here it may also mean the "royal, the kingly" etc. Su. a -ri-a The Tamil 'aariyan' that has has so many different meanings and hence possibly with different etymological roots also occurs in Sumerian in the sense "divine, royal " etc as the following line from Sulgis MutarIbuyam (Hymn B) would indicate. 11. lugal-e lugal-a-ri-a nin-e -tu-da -me-en I, the king of Royal descent, who a princess bore. Ta. uLukaLee uLugak aariya(ariya) ninnee todda maan lu> uLu> aaLu, aaL: person. gal> kaL: great -e: -ee: the suffix that isolates that which is named ; the teeRRa eekaaram. a-ri-a> ariya (the rare) ; aariya: the royal , divine etc. nin> Nin, nan: the lofty: tu-da> todda; to bear , to give birth; me-en> maan: the person as in ceeramaan, atikaimaan etc The term" lugal-aria" is almost identical with the Tamil usage of Arya maintain such as that of Kamban. And this may be the sense in the use of Arya by Buddha in Dhammapada. It is also interesting that in the long history of Tamil literature nowhere we come across the Brahmins being called or call themselves as Aryas. Even in Sangam epoch we have kapilar, known as a Brahamana calling himself AntaN and NOT Aryan. This term has been more in use with the royalties and as an alternative term for Siva , the Brilliant Principle, the supremely radiant BEING that illuminates all minds arising as the inner sun. [/list] . [/QB][/QUOTE]
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