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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tazarah: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: That's the problem!-- Even though name of the language group 'Semitic' was named after the Biblical ancestor Shem, NO educated Jew accepts this linguistic correlation with the Biblical lineage. Semitic is as branch of so-called Afroasiatic which originated in Africa. In fact the older name for the language phylum is Hamito-Semitic named after both Ham and Shem but "Hamitic" is used for all the branches of Afroasiatic that are spoken in Africa with Semitic being the only branch that developed outside of that continent. Therefore the genetic relations of the language do NOT reflect Biblical genealogy. At the same time according the same genealogy one of Shem's sons is Elam yet the historical Elamites spoke an entirely different language that is genetically unrelated to any other known language. Either the Bible is wrong about genealogy OR that genealogy has no correlation to linguistic genealogy. Genetics shows that haplogroup E originated in Africa and traveled into Asia how then is E from Turkey unless it's a back-migration. Also that does not explain the modal-Cohen marker hg J which is found in Cohens and Levites who are allegedly male descendants of Abraham and we know that J originated somewhere near Turkey. [/QUOTE]This is fine, you are entitled to your opinion but: 1. Dr. Elhaik says that E is what Abraham would have had and that a mass migration of E came from Turkey (Mesopotamia) during the same time period of the Abraham story in the Bible. I asked you several times to draft a prompt message for me to forward to Dr. Elhaik in which you could question him about his methodology but each time you refused (yet you kept talking and implying that he is wrong, which leads me to believe you only want to preach to the choir). I then drafted my own message and emailed him and he explained his methodology. And like I said it's complete madness to assert that Shem was not apart of the bloodline responsible for the creation and dispersal of shemitic languages, regardless of what modern secularists say or claim. They did not magically come up with the terms "Semitic/Shemitic", regardless of what they currently claim Semite/Shemitic means. And just because Elamites did not speak a semitic language, does not mean they were not Shemites. The Bible tells us they were Shemites. 2. There is no evidence that the "cohen haplotype" or gene is something that ancient Levites actually had, it's 100% speculation and you yourself have admit this so I've no idea why you keep bringing it up. Imagine if I admit something had no conclusive evidence to prove it, but then I kept bringing it up as a fact to support my arguments. 3. If you are going to try using the origin of haplogroup E as a way to try disqualifying it, you will always run into problems when trying to marry genetic methodology with the Bible because according to you Abraham supposedly had J, this would have to mean Shem and Noah also had J. But if that's the case then how does E supposedly predate haplogroup J, when Noah (supposedly J) and his sons repopulated the earth? This is the part where you claim the flood was not global, even though God himself says that he killed ALL flesh during the flood. Because Noah > Shem > Abrahram being J can only be possible if you pretend the Biblical flood was not global, which it 100% was according to God himself. You only believe in the Bible when you believe it supports your opinions. And then this is the part where I lose interest in talking to you and leave it to future readers with common sense to put the puzzle pieces together themselves. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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