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[QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Tazarah: geneticists (Dr. Eran Elhaik for example) who label Abraham (a Hebrew) as an E carrier who came from Turkey [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Tazarah: You can claim israeli geneticists disagree with Dr. Elhaik, but there are others who agree with him and who also assert that modern jewish populations are actually descendants of proselytes (converts). [/QUOTE]If you believe or want to suggest that only someone E1b1b can be Israelite, modern Jews, for instance Ashkenaz in multiple genetic studies show they are 16-23% of E1b1b but yet that is a substantial amount, about 2 out of 10. Why do you hide that? That's not honest [QUOTE]Originally posted by Tazarah: If it makes you feel any better, chances are most likely that I am E1b1a or some type of R... so that would eliminate me and almost every other African American from being an Israelite [/QUOTE]You want to eliminate Ashkenazi from having Israelite ancestry so badly as to excludes yourself in the process, although you don't point to the later frequently. And did you consider the possible motive Elhaik's speculation on the biology of a person not even proven to have existed (but may have) is to support the legitimacy of his own haplogroup? My speculation here is as good as his speculation [QUOTE]Originally posted by Tazarah: You can claim israeli geneticists disagree with Dr. Elhaik, but there are others who agree with him and who also assert that modern jewish populations are actually descendants of proselytes (converts). [/QUOTE]If you believe or want to suggest that only someone E1b1b can be an Israelite, you would have to modify the above statement to say>> "only around 20% of Ashkenazi Jews could be Israelites since only 16-23% are E1b1b" so at least if you said that you would be consistent but I don't hear you saying this However this thread is about "Proto-Semitic" The word "Semite" or "Semitic" is not in the bible. If you want to talk the bible you should be saying "descended from Shem" and stop talking about this 18th century word "Semite" However in this thread we are not talking about the bible we are talking about what linguists call "proto-semitic". Even though the word "Semitic and "Semite" were made up by German historian in the 18th century and these words are inspired by Shem linguists don't use this word in the literal context of the bible which says that at the time of Noah the world only spoke one language but later God created other languages. Linguists use this word "Semitic" to link together languages they think show similarities and thus seem to have organically evolved from the same area not due to supernatural creation by God at the time of Babel. If instead you say multiple languages were created by God then one being similar to the other does not mean anything significant as evidence of culture exchange so it makes more sense to stick to biblical concepts if you are going to speak of Shem and words not language family theory concepts as purported by language scientists [/QB][/QUOTE]
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