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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Oshun: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [qb]The amount of Levantine admixture has nothing to do with it because every time the invasions were repulsed they were repulsed from the South. [/qb][/QUOTE]After centuries of immigration and foreigners living in Egyptian territory. After thousands of years of Levanite mixed Lower Egyptians being citizens. If you're holding out for Upper Egypt to lack mixture until the Greeks and Romans you're likely to be disappointed. Much of Upper Egypt was probably changing into the Old Kingdom if not before. [/qb][/QUOTE]I am not holding out anything. The fact is that it was Southerners who restored the culture multiple times over the course of dynastic history. Whatever mixture came as a result of foreign movement from the Levant did not restore the culture of AE. The records of the first intermediate period and the New Kingdom state this clearly. There are no prophecies of a king form the Levant arising to restore AE. Yet you have a writings attesting to kings from the South restoring AE. You are stuck on hypothesis which does not change the facts. The rise of Egyptian culture from the South predates any massive influx of and mixture with Levantines. Ancient Egyptian culture arose out of Nile Valley, Sudan and Sahara. That is not the Levant. The base of Egyptian culture was not based on Levantine mixture. Whether or not mixture occurred in Lower Egypt or not or mixture occurred elsewhere later does not change that the roots of Egyptian culture came from the South. And this fact is attested to by the fact that the numerous invasions to DESTROY Egypt came from the Levant and the push to repel those invasions came from the SOuth. Which means there was always a connection to the South and that connection never dissappeared and this is where the strength of AE culture came from. And the last major restoration of the culture of the AE came with Kush. No Levantine population ever restored or maintained the AE culture. None. So whatever mixture there was does not mean that Levantines were the "root" of AE culture. They were not. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Oshun: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [qb] After the 1st and 2nd intermediate periods the kingdom was restored from the South. The Kingdom was created from the South and the concepts and cultural influences flowed from the South. So if you want to look at the "roots" of the culture you have to go South. Folks can obsess over Levantine admixture all they want in Lower Egypt. The culture did not originate in and ultimately from Lower Egypt. So focusing on Levantine "roots" is focusing on irrelevant information as that is not the actual location of the origin of AE culture. As I have called out before, AE culture spilled over into the Levant from a very early period. And at one point AE as a nation had northern borders well within the Levant. So I am not shocked by or in denial of any Levantine mixture or influence in Lower Egypt that does not make the "roots" of AE culture Levantine. [/qb][/QUOTE]True, but that was already acknowledged. The point was that they're going to focus on northern Egyptians because the archeology that preceded the selection of genetic samples deemed them a "safe" bet. They know no matter where in time they go to get samples from Lower Egyptians, they are likely to get some "Levanite" mixture. The Egyptians are not understood by the public as "Lower" and "Upper" Egyptians with uniqueness. They're just Egyptians which is what makes sampling bias an easier sell. Many people want to see the Egyptians like Swedes instead of Americans with lots more diversity. [/qb][/QUOTE]I am not focusing on anything other than the overall fact that the AE culture flowed from the South like the NIle. This is how the AE themselves viewed their world. What you are talking about has nothing to do with how the AE viewed the world or how the culture of AE developed. Mixture with Levantines is not where the AE culture got its strength from. So any mixture with Levantines did not "define" AE culture. It was the South that was the source of the strength and longevity of AE culture and not the Levant. There was as much "mixture" with the South if not more because again, the core of AE culture flowed from the South. This isn't some arbitrary process by which you can compare any potential Levantine mixture with the relavance and significance of the Southern origin of AE culture. This is the part that is annoying because folks want to ignore all the data and facts in order to promote theoretical concepts that have no bearing on reality. Most of the deities of AE culture came from the South. MOst of the traditions of royalty came from the South. Most of the patterns of math and writing came from the South. So trying to downplay that and pretend that those facts are insignificant is the problem. Can someone say that Europe isn't the "core" of Canadian and American culture. Is that a trivial and insignificant fact? Of course not. No matter how many non Europeans there are in America or Canada it doesn't change the origin of these two nation states as being derived from Europe. And the same goes for AE as being primarily populated from and derived from Africa. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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