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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [qb] Lol. Clyde trying to talk about the origin of R-V88. That's the least of your worries. Any reaction to the implications of E-M2 in Middle Kingdom Egypt? Looks like the Middle Egyptian language dates to a period marked by increased Central African influences. [QUOTE]On the "Hound Stela" of the [b]Eleventh Dynasty ruler Antef II[/b], one of the basenjis has the name [b]Abaikur, meaning "hound" in Berber[/b], suggesting a [b]southwestern origin for that particular dog.[/b][/QUOTE][URL=https://books.google.nl/books?id=7MvtJ2LbKgwC&pg=PA81&lpg=PA81&dq=basenji+egypt+berber+middle+kingdom&source=bl&ots=8jcayqwShZ&sig=FDjkK-r-1eRcd8X9AhGNENLnkMA&hl=nl&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi02oajs7HZAhXJL1AKHRAFC5wQ6AEIOTAH#v=onepage&q=basenji%20egypt%20berber%20middle%20kingdom&f=false]https://books.google.nl/books?id=7MvtJ2LbKgwC&pg=PA81&lpg=PA81&dq=basenji+egypt+berber+middle+kingdom&source=bl&ots=8jcayqwShZ&sig=FDjkK-r-1eRcd8X9AhGNENLnkMA&hl=nl&sa=X&ved=0ahUKE wi02oajs7HZAhXJL1AKHRAFC5wQ6AEIOTAH#v=onepage&q=basenji%20egypt%20berber%20middle%20kingdom&f=false[/URL] This is why you have to be careful making claims in bioanthropology. The data can be very treacherous. What initially looked like the original Egyptian language (i.e. Middle Egyptian) may simply be a form of Egyptian influenced by Chadic speakers from West/Central Africa. Another setback for Negro-Egyptian. [/qb][/QUOTE]Turns out Clyde preceded me in pointing out increased Central African influence on Middle Kingdom Egypt. (Not that I take it for granted that everything he says on this topic is accurate). Will follow up on these leads and confirm for myself. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Clyde Winters: The fact that Mande, Wolof and Fula are related to Egyptian is probably due to the fact that when the Inyotefs took over Egypt the ancestors of these groups live in southern Egypt/Upper Kush. This would [b]explain 1) the relationship between the Fula and Egyptian language of the 12th Dynasty 2) the introduction of the worship of Aman to the Egyptians a god worshipped by many Niger-Congo speakers, 3) the presence of Egyptian gods for selected nomes bearing West African ethnonyms and 4)the love of the basenji dog by the 12th Dynasty Egyptians.[/b][/QUOTE] http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=006400;p=2#000079 Before this paper I assumed that the Chadic-Egyptian influences were much older (or at least started trickling in earlier) than the Middle Kingdom. But now that I think about it, these young E-M2 and R-V88 dates make a lot of sense. There are historical examples of Upper Egyptians (e.g. Kamose) recruiting southern African neighbours during civil wars. [QUOTE]On the other hand, the Medjay like the Nubians of the C-Group culture interacted favorably with the Egyptians. In the case of the Meday, they appear to be reliable allies and formed, therefore, [b]part of the Egyptian army under Kamose in his campaigns against the Hyksos. Some have suggested that a Medjay contingent may have played a primary role in Kamose's interception of the Hyksos embassy en route to Nubia.[/b][/QUOTE][URL=https://books.google.nl/books?id=Ui9Qwtp-LV4C&pg=PA103&lpg=PA103&dq=kamose+medjay+hyksos&source=bl&ots=7yl7fnGHhy&sig=hkMEp9VGsg4wwN6NFlwiUuokIrY&hl=nl&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwigxqbN77bZAhWEsKQKHe2lDH4Q6AEIMjAB#v=onepage&q=kamose%20medjay%20hyksos&f=false]https://books.google.nl/books?id=Ui9Qwtp-LV4C&pg=PA103&lpg=PA103&dq=kamose+medjay+hyksos&source=bl&ots=7yl7fnGHhy&sig=hkMEp9VGsg4wwN6NFlwiUuokIrY&hl=nl&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwigxqbN77bZAh WEsKQKHe2lDH4Q6AEIMjAB#v=onepage&q=kamose%20medjay%20hyksos&f=false[/URL] Even northern enemies of the 17th dynasty tried to form an alliance with Nubians for military help against Upper Egypt. If southern Africans played this role during 2nd intermediate period, why not during the first intermediate period and the Middle Kingdom? The Middle Kingdom was preceded by civil war (first intermediate period). Could be Thebans emerged victorious because they had help from the south and from people ultimately deriving from the southwest. Also, it's probably naive to think that Bantu migrations were specific to Bantu speakers. Whatever caused it would have impacted neighbouring populations as well (like Chadic speakers). And since Chadic speakers were pastoralists, it would have been more natural for them to expand into areas with no tsetse flies (i.e. not to the south, as Bantu speakers did, but to the northeast and north). Niger-Congo speaking pastoralists might also have expanded in directions opposite of Bantu farmers. Will be interesting to see how much of the Negro-Egyptian commonalities can be explained by this. [IMG]https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c4a04b1dcecb7efaca7bd884c080e29d[/IMG] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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