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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: let's keep some things in perspective, Doug. Of course more southern and older Egyptian mummies will have more African DNA. But that is irrelevant right now, because that speaks for itself. Why stress that and shift the conversation away from the here and now? Are you panicking? ;) If you're unshaken and confident in your own beliefs in face of this and Abusir aDNA, you should be able to take both aDNA papers as they come. Just acknowledge Eurasian mtDNAs were in Egypt, too. From the beginning (i.e. mid-holocene resettlement of the Middle Nile), as R-V88 suggests. Don't know why that is so difficult for some people. Unless you need dynastic Egypt to be free of non-African admixture for ideological reasons. And you are on record rejecting the EEF element in early Egypt, so don't even try to deny this is why you respond this way. And yes, this mtDNA is an EEF signature (although this particular mtDNA molecule may have arrived in Egypt relatively late). Any response to that? Or is the Hamitic heresy in me saying that, too much?[/QUOTE][qb]Swenet the overall gist of the post is that the AE were primarily (From this DNA) non African transplants. Do you agree with that?[/qb] My point is that obviously this is false. Egyptian culture originated in the South. So we need DNA from those southern folks to "confirm" indeed that North African DNA is "Non African" is my point. The underlying agenda behind this DNA and most of the other DNA is to show that when you think of AE you should think of Eurasian looking people and this goes for all "North Africa". That is the point. Obviously that is false as well. And Southern Egypt and Upper Sudan along with the Sahara are all part of North Africa. So are we going to say that Sub Saharan DNA starts at Aswan now and that this was a boundary between Africans and Eurasians based on DNA? Doesn't that sound stupid? U5 DNA does not equal "non black skin" in most AE populations prior to or during the dynastic. U5 DNA does not PROVE skin color. I know for a fact there were plenty of BLACK AE at all levels through all periods in dynastic Egyptian history. The fact that some folks would sit here and pretend that this is NOT the case is the problem. So what kind of DNA did those black folks have is the question? The fact these folks were African was never in question. I don't know how you see a handful of DNA studies and automatically jump to that conclusion. Do L lineages in Ancient Greece make them Blacks and Non Europeans? Do E lineages in Europe make them non Europeans? Come on now with retarded nonsense. We all know that is not how this works. But that would be the only way to say that the AE as "North Africans" were not African and therefore Eurasians is the point. If someone is going to say that then they should prove it with more than one or two pieces of DNA and all the facts should line up and they don't. Still. And the bigger issue is folks that believe Europeans who desire to see the AE as "white Eurasian" transplants are doing so based on some "objective science". Don't talk that retarded nonsense to me. They have been picking out whatever data they can claim to support this since they went to Egypt whether it be pottery or cherry picked art, or cherry picked mummies or absolutely nothing at all. And I don't look at how they handle the DNA as being any different. The joke is still on them to explain how so many blacks got into AE prior to the increase of "sub saharans" after the Roman era. The game is over. These clowns just don't want to admit it.[/QUOTE]Of course their comments on AE genetics are false and/or ignorant of continued Eurasian input over time to the point where they might be passing off immigrant DNA as 'Egyptian'. But I don't expect the average geneticist to know that. How could they, given the selective aDNA reports that have come out? The Egyptian government releases DNA/gives access to samples for its own reasons and based on its own considerations (including nationalist ones). I wouldn't pay much attention to what opinionated geneticists low in the chain of command have to say about Egyptian population affinity. They're just sequencing DNA that has been pre-selected for them, if not pre-screened. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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