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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Oshun: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [qb] Black Africans in East Africa did not originate in Eurasia. So called Eurasian genes in East Africa does not mean that Black East Africans originated in Eurasia. One piece of DNA doesn't mean a population originated somewhere else. [/qb][/QUOTE]You said they're "not the result of" Eurasia which is not the same thing as saying they did not get all their ancestry from a place.Okay so let's hypothetically assume the genetic data for southern Egypt matches the north, then what? What are you going to do with that morphological data that says they're black? Throw it out because it wasn't "African black?" [QUOTE][qb] You keep ignoring facts. If the Southerners were fighting the Northerners that means a flow of Southern forces and people into he north to take over. [/QUOTE][/qb] Didn't I tell you that the northerners were mingling with southerners BEFORE the mass migration of foreigners? Did you not just read them say that northerners had Levanite settlements indicative of that affinity which date into the predynastic? You aren't listening. I specifically said that morphological changes were starting in the OLD KINGDOM with parts of Upper Egypt. So even if there were Upper Egyptian forces coming to take back the north the "army" would've included admixed Upper Egyptians who were admixed because the NORTH had plenty of people who had distant ties to the Levant and was mingling with UPPER EGYPT. THEN you're just assuming that every foreigner who'd immigrated to Egypt AND their assimilated offspring just packed up and left. I mean hey, it's not like climate change wasn't going to kill them. The data doesn't support the absence of Levant. It's not just them doctoring DNA. They put Levanite settlements, pottery and CRANIA there too? When does all that start sounding like deNile to you? Why are the Abusir mummies genetically the way they are if it was "African" in all of Upper Egypt? I don't care about who was openly a Levanite. Their DNA says what it says. So why does their DNA say what it does? Why were there Levanite settlements in the predynastic with Levanite material culture and crania that had affinity to the Levant. Answer all of that. Answer why Upper Egypt gradually started taking on a more northern look. Go ahead. Complaining about the power of the south doesn't answer anything. [QUOTE][qb]Show me how Ahmose Nefertari symbolizes some kind of KINSHIP and BLOOD influence of Eurasian women into the 18th dynasty. Stop making up facts.[/qb][/QUOTE]Ugh the fcking butthurt. Stop. [qb] [QUOTE]I didnt say anything about race. [/qb][/QUOTE]Sure you haven't :rolleyes: : [QUOTE]Come on with the circular arguments. IF U5 is found in black people in North Africa there are only two options: 1) there was some mixture with Levantines or 2) That DNA is indigenous. Neither 1 or 2 imply that black skin in North Africa is the result of back migrating Eurasians. That it totally absurd and nobody is even claiming this in any of these studies. Again, the people writing these papers are not talking about black Eurasians in North Africa. When they say North Africans have always had Eurasian DNA they mean white Eurasians. That has always been the point. You trying to spin this into some nonsense about "black Eurasians" and so forth is silly.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE][qb] And again, the underlying point of these studies is to reinforce the notion that there were NEVER any blacks in AE to begin with. So really your theory may sound nice and "objective" but that is not really what these people are ultimately saying. [/QUOTE][/qb] If you know what they are morphologially, it doesn't matter what they're "ultimately saying" on race. This is what Diop was trying to get people like you to understand because he knew it'd get you sidetracked. He believed they were black Africans but already acknowledged that his point did not rest on whether or not there was a technical back migration. There is already so much data that says the south was morphologically "black" and there's so much data that shows an African cultural affinity. So someone who looks morphologically (black) African and culturally African with Eurasian DNA is perhaps the most you'll be getting from these results, even if they are the same in the early south. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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