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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Oshun: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by sudaniya: [qb] It would be great if tests were carried out to determine when Y-DNA J became so pronounced in Egypt. It's been pointed out that if the Y-DNA profiles of the Abusir mummies was as equally Eurasian as the mtdna, then people could conclude that the Abusir mummies were foreign derived migrants. It seems nore than likely that the Abusir mummies were Egyptians, but there had been a gradual change in Egypt that explains their genetic profile. [/qb] [/QUOTE]In the case of Abusir el-Meleq, I highly doubt it. Ideas like Upper and Lower Egypt gave a general idea to where these general differences in the regions could be found but probably shouldn't be regarded as such in absolute terms. Abusir was in Upper Egypt but was referred to as Lower Egyptian. While immigration spread relatively greater levels of mixing deeper into Upper Egypt notice how some cranial research has noted the phenotype of the Lower Egyptians (who show more ties to the Levant) appeared unchanged throughout the dynastic age. Meanwhile the southerners underwent changes. This is more than likely because many of the northerers were already from the Near East or heavily mixed. The same way Egyptologists had to accept influences from "Nubia" didn't end at Egypt's southern borders in Aswan, Near East mixture and migration didn't stop at the northern border. Do not be fooled by Abusir's placement in Upper Egypt. The people of Abusir [b]were from the start Lower Egyptians despite where they lived.[/b] The sample these authors selected was simply magnificent if I do say so myself. No matter what era would've been selected it would likely show the kind of continuity they were looking to represent for all of Egypt. It's important to accept the possibility that the further north you go, yes certain aspects of mainstream rhetoric can be applied. [QUOTE]Six pear-shaped stone maceheads were recorded, one with a bull’s head in relief. Other small finds include various articles of jewelry: bracelets or armbands of shell, ivory, leather and horn, and many beads of stone, copper, shell and faïence. A few small carved animal figurines (dogs, lions and a hippopotamus) were also excavated. An ivory cylinder seal carved with three rows of animals (dogs, a crocodile, antelopes, jackals, a scorpion, snake and vultures) was found in Grave 1035. [b]Of local manufacture, this cylinder seal is a type of artifact that originated in Mesopotamia, as did its orientalizing motifs.[/b] [b]When we consider the northern location of the Abusir el-Meleq cemetery not only are the occurrences of the cylinder seal and the several vessels of Palestinian influence significant,[/b] but also [b]two types of skeletons have been distinguished[/b] in the anthropological study. [b]An “Upper Egyptian” type occurs, but there is also a more robust “Lower Egyptian” type,[/b] which may represent the [b]descendants of the Predynastic Ma’adi culture of Lower Egypt.[/b] In the fourth millennium BC, [b]Abusir el-Meleq must have played some role in the colonization of Lower Egypt[/b] by peoples of the Upper Egyptian Nagada culture, which resulted in the subsequent disappearance of the Lower Egyptian Ma’adi culture. The site may have been an outlying post regulating the routes of communication to trade colonies in the Delta, such as Buto and Minshat Abu Omar.[/QUOTE]Encyclopedia of the Archaeology of Ancient Egypt I'm not sure if robust means larger in number or if they're discussing the phenotype. However it'd probably be a fair estimation to consider that the descendants of Abusir-el-Meleq were heavily mixed with Lower Egypt. The fact it's called Lower Egyptian would suggest that however the mixing originally went, the Lower Egyptians either always were or soon became the majority. But apparently, Their ancestors were phenotypically and culturally distinct from the Naqada culture in it's affiliation with the Middle East and quite possibly, Mesopotamia. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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