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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [qb] This is exactly what I meant when I said I have no problems with genuine questions. Somehow there seems to be a misconception where some think I have a problem with genuine questions, even though I've always made myself available for questions. It's the transparently disingenuous games above (Tyrannohotep) that I have a problem with. I've asked for clarification several times over the years re: evidence for his "Upper Nubian" origin of pre-Mesolithic al-Khiday. Evidence is never forthcoming. But it's always Tyrannohotep who bring it up again months or years later, trying to "secure" an origin as far south as possible. I advise genuinely interested people to read the Irish abstract and the Donatella Usai materials about the pre-Mesolithic al-Khiday closely. The population in question is simply found at that site during a short wet spell and then disappears from that site until related "Lower Nubian" and "Kushite" populations show up in mid-Holocene and Bronze Age times. None of the other Sudanese sites with Mesolithic remains (including the al Khiday site itself) have anything linked to the pre-Mesolithic people. So, no, there is no evidence that the pre-Mesolithic al-Khiday people were "Upper Nubian". There is only evidence of pre-Mesolithic people entering the al Khiday site from outside, and then disappearing again, taking their [URL=http://meeting.physanth.org/program/2017/session22/jakob-2017-tooth-avulsion-identity-and-funerary-archaeology-at-al-khiday-2-central-sudan.html]burial and other customs[/URL] with them. Meaning, the succeeding people were unlike the pre-Mesolithic people. The succeeding Mesolithic people even destroyed their graves, trying to make fire pits. How is use of a site for a short time consistent with an origin of these people at that site? We find the customs of these pre-Mesolithic people in coastal North Africa (including the Maghreb) and among the Natufians [b]before[/b] the pre-Mesolithic al Khiday people. Tyrannohotep knows this very well. We have talked about this. Yet he keeps trying to play geological games, knowing full well Mesolithic Sudan was dominated by people ancestral to modern Nilotes. Anyway, I've said what I have to say in regards how I see the origin of these populations. I'm not interested in convincing people. I post the evidence and it's up to people to decide for themselves. So go ahead. Put your own extra sauce on what I said and make it seem like I'm distorting the origin of the al-Khiday population, when it's really you who is distorting things. You've been trying to peddle this for years. So go ahead. Tell these people how it's really Upper Nubia and Lake Turkana. The more south, the better, right? Who cares what the evidence says. [/qb][/QUOTE]And the dental data from Irish supports this. [IMG]https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Joel_Irish/publication/232621785/figure/fig1/AS:585643059077120@1516639594249/Multidimensional-scaling-of-MMD-values-between-29-African-samples-based-on-the-dental.png[/IMG] I am curious though as to what al-Khiday's postion in the MMD would be though I seriously doubt it would be SSA. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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