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[QUOTE]Originally posted by zarahan aka Enrique Cardova: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Nassbean: [qb] "debunked" wtf did you debunk ?? posting old and debunked sources won't help you it's not a coincidence if all their sources are from the XXth century or before 2005...[/qb][/QUOTE]I debunked your claims, idiot! Htf are the sources I posted "debunked", when you didn't even bother addressing them?! [b]LOL[/b] Just because a source is old does not mean it is outdated or "debunked" as you say. Apparently you don't know how science works. It doesn't matter how old a source is as long as the findings are still valid. That is why research is replicated to either validate or refute the older sources yet you fail to post anything that refuted my old sources. Here is an example of what I'm saying. The craniometric graph below comes from Keita's [URL=https://www.academia.edu/29592421/An_analysis_of_crania_from_Tell-Duweir_using_multiple_discriminant_functions]1988 study[/URL]. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/8VqkFsY.jpg[/IMG] ^ Note how close late predynastic Naqada clusters close to Nubian Kerma followed by Abydos while the late dynastic E series clusters close to the Maghreb which in turn is closest to the Levantine Lachish. Here is another craniometric graph this time by Brothwell in a [URL=https://www.manchesterhive.com/view/9781784997502/9781784997502.00031.xml]2016 study[/URL]. [IMG]https://i.ibb.co/KqK7WJh/Brothwell2016-Chart.png[/IMG] ^ Again note how close the Naqada sample is to Kerma and other Nubian samples. Which again confirms the Egyptians close affinities to Nubians first and foremost. Here are more studies this time showing [b]non-metric[/b] traits as much better indicators of genetic relationships and they all show Egyptians grouping with Nubians. [URL=https://www.academia.edu/6364579/An_Examination_of_Nubian_and_Egyptian_Biological_Distance_Support_for_Biological_Diffusion_or_In_Situ_Development]Godde 2009[/URL] [IMG]https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0018442X09001176-gr2.jpg[/IMG] Compare with Godde's [URL=https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0018442X18300295]2018 study[/URL] [IMG]https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0018442X18300295-gr2.jpg[/IMG] So tell me again how any of the old sources including the melanin study from Germany is debunked? [QUOTE][qb]Meanwhile they couldn't refute all the dna results I posted , they couldn't refute the ancient depictions I posted , they couldn't refute the genetic and anthropological data I posted ...[/qb][/QUOTE]You posted genetic studies but failed to properly convey what they mean. You even deny the fact that E1b1b originated in Sub-Saharan Africa as that is where it has its highest diversity and concentration NOT Eurasia, and all the ancient depictions you posted are cherry-picked portraits either unpainted or have completely lost their paint with the narrowest noses and thinnest lips in an attempt to white-wash while all the portraits we post show otherwise. You're anthropological data is also laughable as all you post is craniometric data showing Egyptians had narrow noses similar to Europeans who have narrow noses. Meanwhile what about anthropological data about skeletal limb proportions like these? [IMG]https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-d8oKwjwy6R8/VmOy7hbUP9I/AAAAAAAACCU/NRsGSX3vFoQ/s1600/stringer-limbproportions.jpg[/IMG] "[i]..sample populations available from northern Egypt from before the 1st Dynasty (Merimda, Maadi and Wadi Digla) turn out to be significantly different from sample populations from early Palestine and Byblos, suggesting a lack of common ancestors over a long time. If there was a south-north cline variation along the Nile valley it did not, from this limited evidence, continue smoothly on into southern Palestine. [b]The limb-length proportions of males from the Egyptian sites group them with Africans rather than with Europeans.[/b][/i]"--Barry Kemp, [i]Ancient Egypt Anatomy of a Civilisation[/i] (2005) [i]Harris and Wente note the prevalence of dental prognathism among Nubians. Often this is combined with malocclusion. Similar incidence can be found in other African peoples. For example, one study found that a sample taken from the Kenya showed 61.3% of Maasai had diastema; 84% of Kikuyu had overbite and 99% had overjet; and 24% of Kalenjin had anterior open bite. Although these dental traits can often be acquired through habits like thumb-sucking, as noted by Harris and Wente, the high frequency in the royal mummies indicates a genetic origin as found in Africans... [b]The late XVII Dynasty and XVIII Dynasty royal mummies display the strongest Nubian affinities. In terms of maxillary protrusion as measured by SNA, the mean value for these Pharaohs is 84.21 comparable to that of African Americans...[/b][/i]--P. K. Manansala 2006 on James Harris & Edward Wente, [i]X-ray Atlas of the Royal Mummies[/i] (Chicago: University of Chicago, 1980) [QUOTE][qb]Just a bunch of new world blacks with a heavy inferiority complex who try to claim every non-black civilizations they can ....pathetic They only see the world through their american dichotomical view.[/qb][/QUOTE]Ad-hominem nonsense. Not all of us here are even blacks or from America. How about addressing the facts. [QUOTE][qb]No sorry you bantus are not related to horners let alone north africans.[/qb][/QUOTE]So first, we're American blacks but now we are Bantus! Okay. [IMG]http://www.sympato.ch/smileys/Nuts.gif[/IMG] Meanwhile you never bothered explaining how West Africans are as close to Horners as North Africans, Middle-Easterners, and Europeans and how all are closer to Bantu speaking Biaka and Mbuti Pygmies than Southern African Khoisan. [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/FnPrQ1n.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE][qb]Egypt was not a black or white civilization. It was a northafrican/middle eastern civilization that had no link with west,central,east and south Africa. The modern descendents of AEs are modern egyptians. Period. You have not a single evidence that they are genetically non-indigenous so your rhetorical arguments won't work with me.[/qb][/QUOTE]First of all 'black' and 'white' are color labels while North Africa and the Middle East are geographic labels. Apparently you don't know that there are black people in both regions just as there are white people! And of course modern Egyptians are the descendants of ancient Egyptians nobody said otherwise. We've shown you tons of pictures of modern day [black] Baladi (non-Arab indigenous) Egyptians. But being descended does not necessarily mean same according to the genetic findings of the Schuenemann et. al [URL=https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694]2017 study[/URL] published in Nature. [IMG]https://i0.wp.com/ukrreporter.com.ua/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/mummy.jpg[/IMG] ^ Assuming the late period mummies they sampled were truly indigenous (which I doubt they were) they don't have Sub-Saharan alleles whereas modern Egyptians do. Yet interestingly, modern Algerians and Tunisians possess even higher Sub-Saharan alleles than modern Egyptians do so where does that leave your claims??! [b]LOL[/b] [QUOTE][qb]I only talk here because of quarantine lol you're just clowns to me none of you debunked me and none of you convinced me.[/qb][/QUOTE]Says the clown who has been debunked over a dozen times. They say when people are shut in the crazies show themselves and you are a perfect example. [QUOTE][qb][b]Admin: ENOUGH! [/b] [/qb][/QUOTE]Indeed enough of your insanity. [/qb][/QUOTE]LOL. Some people drink from the fountain of knowledge, but looks like this Nassbeam fellow merely gargled.. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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